Krispy ! Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 caught this the other day in port hacking, closest thing I could find was grass whiting but the colouration is different. unless it changes as they grow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NaClH2OK9 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 There are 12 species over 4 genera of Odacidae ( weed whitings and cales). Your fish doesn't look like any I have in my reference material but it being a juvenile it's highly likely it's due some colour changes. Shape wise it's very similar to a little Rock whiting, neoodax balteatus... All that said. They are closely related to Labridae. (wrasse) which have over 400 species there are many of these with very similar shapes and again big colour morphs from juvenile to adult. Too many variables for me on this one. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ddaniel Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 When I first saw it I thought weed whiting, could be wrong though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bruce the Postie Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Herring kale maybe . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Krispy ! Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 There are 12 species over 4 genera of Odacidae ( weed whitings and cales). Your fish doesn't look like any I have in my reference material but it being a juvenile it's highly likely it's due some colour changes. Shape wise it's very similar to a little Rock whiting, neoodax balteatus... All that said. They are closely related to Labridae. (wrasse) which have over 400 species there are many of these with very similar shapes and again big colour morphs from juvenile to adult. Too many variables for me on this one. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Mainly the eye colouration has me thinkning its a weed/grass/rock whiting when comparing to pics on google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 SquidMarks Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) im thinking the same.... neoodax balteatus though pics on google are rubbish. The pic in my reference book is remarkably similar (closest to this pic http://portphillipmarinelife.net.au/images/species/species_519975.jpeg) Edited July 20, 2016 by SquidMarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NaClH2OK9 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Mainly the eye colouration has me thinkning its a weed/grass/rock whiting when comparing to pics on googleBut which one? Forgetting the other wrasses.... Well it's not a siphonognathus so that's 6 ruled out. Not a Herring Cale ( convex tail) Not rainbow Cale. So.. 4 left... Could be female) juvenile. Blue weed fish, haletta samifasciata Neoodax balteatus ( little weed or little Rock whiting) I need to search more on the missing 2 species. School night though. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NaClH2OK9 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 im thinking the same.... neoodax balteatus though pics on google are rubbish. The pic in my reference book is remarkably similar (closest to this pic http://portphillipmarinelife.net.au/images/species/species_519975.jpeg)What book are you using mate. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Blackfish Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 But which one? Forgetting the other wrasses.... Well it's not a siphonognathus so that's 6 ruled out. Not a Herring Cale ( convex tail) Not rainbow Cale. So.. 4 left... Could be female) juvenile. Blue weed fish, haletta samifasciata Neoodax balteatus ( little weed or little Rock whiting) I need to search more on the missing 2 species. School night though. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk What NaCIH20K9 said. Couldn't agree more mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NaClH2OK9 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) OK. The Odacids were previously classified in their own family, the Odacidae. They are now classified as a sub family ( the odacinae) of the family Labridae. In English. Weed whitings and cales are now classed as different genera of the wrasse family. Many wrasse have different colours for each sex and they also change sex during their life. So the 2 missing specimens ( before the changes) were.... Odax pullus - butter fish mostly in newzealand convex tail Odax cyanoallix - bluefinned butterfish (Southwest Pacific: apparently confined to the Three Kings Islands, at the northern tip of New Zealand.) so neither of them If I had to pick one. I'd go with Neoodax balteatus. But I certainly wouldn't put money on it. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Edited July 22, 2016 by NaClH2OK9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Krispy ! Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 OK. The Odacids were previously classified in their own family, the Odacidae. They are now classified as a sub family ( the odacinae) of the family Labridae. In English. Weed whitings and cales are now classed as different genera of the wrasse family. Many wrasse have different colours for each sex and they also change sex during their life. So the 2 missing specimens ( before the changes) were.... Odax pullus - butter fish mostly in newzealand convex tail Odax cyanoallix - bluefinned butterfish (Southwest Pacific: apparently confined to the Three Kings Islands, at the northern tip of New Zealand.) so neither of them If I had to pick one. I'd go with Neoodax balteatus. But I certainly wouldn't put money on it. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk well id agree because it resembles the fish quite well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Blackfish Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I'm with NaCIH20K9 on this it could only be one of the two, aletta samifasciata Blue Weed Whiting or Neoodax balteatus. Rock/Weed Whiting My guess would be the same as yours, Little Weed/Rock Whiting with my reason, the Blue Weed Whiting has more of a Whiting head than a Rock/Weed Whiting and the fish in question doesn't show that character. So Weed/Rock Whiting it is for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 SquidMarks Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 What book are you using mate. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Coastal Fishes of South Eastern Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NaClH2OK9 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Coastal Fishes of South Eastern AustraliaPage 305 juvs insert wasn't enough for me with the solid lateral stripe. But elimination maybe got us there. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 SquidMarks Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Page 305 juvs insert wasn't enough for me with the solid lateral stripe. But elimination maybe got us there. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk I think Krispy caught an adult (attains 16cm) The horizontal mouth/head striping present on krispys fish matches that found in the book, so does the blue colour found on all the fin fringes as well as all fin shapes. The eye is the same and the spot present on the top of the operculum matches that found in the book. The book also states that colour varies from green to brown... I still cant be 100% certain but i feel im not going to get it any closer so i will be happy calling it. Edited July 24, 2016 by SquidMarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caught this the other day in port hacking, closest thing I could find was grass whiting but the colouration is different. unless it changes as they grow?
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