nickb111 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Brought up in the social was single vs treble hooks- on small hardbodies it's apparently trebles for sure- what about for larger hardbodies ~10 cm and metals? Cheers Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Stalker Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 For small hardbodys I still use trebles but I like to crimp the barbs as they can make a hell of a mess of a fish's mouth, especially when they manage to get pinned by all 3... you just have to keep the pressure on. For larger divers I like to use a single that's eye is on the same angle as the bend so there is no need for another split ring to make it sit straight. The hookup rate is slightly less but they do a lot less damage to the fish. On steelies I like to use singles too, they seem to be just as reliable as a treble and don't give the fish as much leverage to spit it out. Luc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharris Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 all you have to do is look at the high end Japanese trout lures 90% of them run singles and another thing top water lures like sammys sugerpens and bent minnows all have better hook up rates then they do with small trebles Sent from my GT-S7500T using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 (edited) Nice to meet you on Sunday nick so if you swap a trebel to a single what size would you use? A hook equal to 1/3 treble or a hook with the same overall profile size? Also (unless this is completely dependent on the target species) would you fit the hook on the nose. Body or tail? Or would you replace All trebels with singles? ... Steve Edited May 4, 2014 by NaClH2OK9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) I suppose the only way to know is to try. I had some tailor on the bottom lure last outing. No drops but too much foul hooking when flapping around in the boat. Not tried the top lure but identical apart from colour. My smaller circles are light gauge hence being a little on the big size. I'll try them side by side next outing. ... Steve Edited May 5, 2014 by NaClH2OK9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharris Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 turn the hook so its facing the other way the lure will run better snd it will be even more snag resistant Sent from my GT-S7500T using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 With the gape against the body of the lure won't it just slip out of the fishes mouth? Sorry mate I'm not challenging your advice? ... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharris Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 deff not Sent from my GT-S7500T using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickb111 Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 Gotta agree with jameshanna- The circles are supposed to stay in the mouth a little before the fish is hooked- as far as I know they're designed for bait? A fish would grab the lure in the middle miss the point and swim off. A standard j hook as opposed to circle facing down may be a fairer test! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Hmm. The only live bait hooks I have are 8/0 looks like I'll need to make a trip to the tackle shop. I'm charter fishing this weekend weather permitting but should get a chance to get my boat out the following. I'll update when I've tried a couple of side by side comparisons. ... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasksta Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Im confused, should the rear J hook face upwards or downwards? Recently put J's on my faithful xraps and they are not swimming the same, keep breaching the surface and its doing my head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The advice here indicates getting rid of the rear hook. ... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasksta Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Hmmm for trolling or casting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) It's sounding like I should possibly leave them standard. I don't go out far enough for tuna. Just trolling around the heads and the first couple of K off shore. Anticipating tailor and possibly kings if I'm lucky. Just wanted to lesson the impact of the hooks on the fish ... Steve Edited May 9, 2014 by NaClH2OK9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) I hit the tackle shop today and asked about this ( I've been dealing with the same guy for 4 years and although I always spend a fortune I get what I consider trusted advice and do get told occasionally not to waste my money ) anyway i was shown these (note the eye is at 90deg) and with looking to target tailor kings. Bonito was advised to keep the rear hook. Belly hook gape down. Tail hook gape up. There are clearly many ways to do this but I'm going to go with for my first side by side trial where I can test hook up rate. Look like it may be a couple of weeks though due to multiple commitments. Oh I also picked up a couple of blades following the sp social advice that they were a good tool. Of course I. Chose much bigger ones than shown me ( I don't even have a reel with 6lb line lol) and will try these drifting just off shore . Anyway . I asked the says trebles singles question and was told stick with the standard pattern unless I encounter issues with messing up the fish like I did with the raps. ... Steve Edited May 10, 2014 by NaClH2OK9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Stalker Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Those are the same singles I use and they work great. Haven't had one straighten and they don't get spat as much. Luc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 That's a relief because they were bloody expensive! Lol ... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Stalker Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 James I find it better that way. These make it much easier to set the hook and to unhook the fish when in and does much less damage. As much as I don't mind a feed I do not mind them having a fighting chance either. The more I learn the more respect I have for my piscatorial friends and the less harm I mean them unless they are meant for dinner. Luc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I've opened the pack and they do have very small barbs. I've got to agree with stalker. The whole reason I raised this at the plastics session was my concern over the way that lures with trebles was damaging the fish. I like to eat my catch when suitable but if released I want to return them in the best condition possible. ... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) I've limited experience trolling but was out about a month ago and trolled between spots with my daughter. We picked up 6 good tailor in a short time. Apart from my daughter needing to look away when I dispatched 2 of them it was all sport untill I got them on board the boat. They thrashed about and hurt themselves pretty bad with trebles everywhere going into their gill plates. Head and sides. On top of this bloody dangerous to unhook. . Great to catch fish but so sad to harm fish I was releasing . I told my daughter there must be a better and hence the pursuit for an alternative. ... Steve Edited May 10, 2014 by NaClH2OK9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasksta Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I have these exact hooks on my small xraps and they dont swim the same as the standard trebles, keep popping up to surface even 60m behind the boat. Standard trebles even in close no diving problems with lure. Interested to see how you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasksta Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Yes i think it is the trailing hook, i slowed to 4 knots on sat and same issue. Stock trebles were fine to 9 knots. Can you run the rear hook that size facing down? This i haven't tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharknett Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Fishing out of a kayak trebles are something I like to do away with where possible. In my experience jigging hooks seem to be the preferred way to go on larger lures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Ok it's. Taken weeks to get back out but tested 2 repalas side by side. One with trebles and one with jig hooks. Both lures swam exactly the same for me. Unfortunately no takes so can't vouch for hookups but so far so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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