Strange Bream

[bluefin]

Went down the Hastings today , beautiful morning. Had to work hard fo a feed but caught 2 bream and a flattie. But. What Bream did I catch? One is a standard Yellowfin. But what is the other? All caught on lures. Flathead on a cranka crab thrown around Mullet schools. Yellowfin Bream in deep water on a vibliciois. The other up a creek on a 3 inch nemisis. Regards. Howard

[bluefin]

Pikey Bream ????? Way too far south !!

[Blackfish]

Not being a expert on Black Bream, but my guess it's a Black Bream.

[Blackfish]

No, not a Pikey Bream, different head and body shape for a Pikey

Edited August 28, 2016 by Blackfish

[Brooker435]

Not a expert either but I think they are both yellowfin, you can still just see the yellow on the fins, maybe it has been in a more muddier area then the other one, would be interested to know what species it ends up being at the end though.

Regards,

Nathan

[Yowie]

Both look like Yellowfin Bream. The darker one has spent some time up river living in the darker muddy areas, and will adopt the darker colour.

Those that spend a lot of time over shallow sand or beaches are much lighter and silvery in colour.

[jdanger]

Also no expert but I'd call it for an out-of-condition yellowfin. As beginner says you can see a hint of the yellow in the anal fin.

[bluefin]

I had thought that, it was quite lean compared to the other one. It had a much narrower, slender body, different dawsal fin toward the back, and a much larger eye. Its tail also looks different, no real folk.

Edited August 28, 2016 by bluefin

[JohnDory]

For mine, with out doing home work two different species bream!

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1 F

1 M

Steve where are ya! Out with the books mate!

JD

[tackleberry]

i'm for vic and yes they are both yellow fin head slope and they both have the large anal spine

this is a black

click on image to get a better look

and this is a yellow fin

Edited August 28, 2016 by tackleberry

[bluefin]

Thanks Tackleberry. The mystery fish's head was very pointed compared to a yellowfin. And the back section of the dorsal fin was exactly the same as your Black Bream. In real life they looked very different. Its head was elongated. Sort of like an emperor

[josamill]

Looks like the offspring of a YF bream, black bream and with a hint of mangrove jack!

[JonD]

My daughter brought a mutant bream home from the lake infront of our house, at first we thought it was a carp at 54 cm.

[bluefin]

FOUND https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/fisheries/species-identification/inshore-estuarine-species/javelin/barred-javelin My wife tells me it had the bars on it when it was caught, I just thought it was a bream, until I was about to fillet it and realised the odd shape.

[jim bream]

its a hybrid bream yellow fin mating with a black bream

Edited August 29, 2016 by Jim bream

[Krispy !]

Both yellowfin one of them looks like its been up a creek its whole lifr

[the producer]

Not a Javalin....totally different fish.

BUT..... I do know there have been many hybrid bream found on the south coast of NSW and even as far north as Sydney.

There is evidence that black bream and Yellow Fin have cross bred and I do believe the 2 fish in the pic above show a greater difference than simply living in fresher or muddier water.

Its quite true that fish often change their colour and general look ( sometimes significantly ) when they live upstream or in a different water condition than their normal coastal environment.

This is especially true for fish that travel upstream and spend a good amount of time away from the ocean. EG. Barra, Bream, mullet, flathead, Jew and even Crabs.

If your posting fish for ID check...... try and extend the dorsal fin and tail because the information to positively ID most fish is in the fin/spike/ray count.

happy fishing

Parkesy

[bluefin]

Parksey, if you enlarge the 3 rd photo you can see the difference in the top fins and tail quite well . I tried to axtrnd them bcd

Thanks Howard