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Fishing sites stagnating

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What an interesting topic.

I joined Fishraider about 12 months ago and in that time I have posted 667 times.

That probably puts me up there with the more active site contributors.

Here are some of the reasons why I contribute regularly that perhaps may help in working through why people do or don't engage.

At this point I would like to point out that these are my reasons and I am not saying they are valid for everybody or necessarily

always beneficial for me... its just the way I am as an individual.

1) I like sharing my experiences ( even if people are not interested I always think they will be) LOL

2) I believe that I can't expect that people will comment or support or contribute to my posts if I don't show interest in theirs.

3) Contributing to a post seems to bring out more information, detail and ideas within that post.

4) Absolutely I like the validation of the experience you get from other fishos.

5) Personally, I don't like being an observer in any process.

6) I don't ever recall a negative comment from any member on one of my posts. Its always constructive and in good humour.

Those of us who post a lot may just be the kind of people who naturally engage in things not just the fishraider forum. I think that the Fishraider admin

and moderators do a great job in removing the obstacles that get in the way of those members who may be reluctant to post. Things like banning abusive members,

locking posts that are getting a little too confrontational etc etc.

I am in two minds about the Like/Dislike option.

I suspect it will increase the amount of low level interaction and simultaneously decrease the amount of specific feedback.

Personally, I think Like/Dislike buttons are a disincentive to good engagement.... Posts become better posts because people ask questions or offer advice and feedback

.Put a like button on the post and that may just stop someone from commenting by choosing a quicker option. "Like" will never replace "I like it because...."

Having said all that, I am fast realizing that I come from a different time and the kind of interaction fueled by social media is one of Like and Dislike on a scale that baffles me...

Just give one decent in depth conversation over a hundred likes/dislikes/thumbs ups or tweets.

Whoops!... I'm on the soap box again!

Cheers Jim

Edited by fragmeister

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I'm a newbie, so please take my comments with a pinch of salt:

Like/Dislike

1. Like - sounds good

  • a way for people to say congrats, I agree/support your views.
  • Good for the people that are more shy.
  • People can of course post comments, asking questions or offering suggestions.
  • By having this, it means that people reading a topic are getting more substantial information in the threads - as opposed to just 'likes' in 'words'

2 Dislike - Prefer that there isn't one to encourage people to post.

  • Where people disagree with views posted, then they can post comments in response.
  • Moderators/Admins can monitor to ensure that there is no harrassment/bullying or lock down a topic if the discussion does not remain constructive.

Facebook/Information forum

  • Keep the 2 separate
  • This forum is an easy way for people to learn more about fishing - particularly for those that are shy. They can contribute content when they are ready.
  • Believe that fishing reports should cover both negative and positive trips - as this is useful for those planning a trip.

(Sorry, but I love bullet points.....)

Edited by dynabolt

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As one of the people who likes to acknowledge posts as a matter of courtesy to those who have gone to the trouble to describe their experiences and add Pics I hate to think that others may view that as trying to get my post count up. Why do we always look for the worst in people?

A like/dislike button is so impersonal, particularly when responding to new or young contributors where a little more detailed acknowledgement will surely be more encouraging than simply "Like"

Maybe I am old fashioned and should move with the times?

And yes, this is the best site, lets keep it that way.

Cheers

Paikea

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OK no like or dislike function

Why not do it the old fashioned way and use an emoticon

LIKE COULD BE :clapping::biggrinthumb::047::thumbup::1clap:

OR DISLIKE :angry2::1onono::thumbdown:

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tapatalk on ipad, no emoticons..............

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The like button could come in handy for COTM and other comps, would attract more voters and be more appealing to sponsors with a definitive audience number. Just a thought.

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tapatalk on ipad, no emoticons..............

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You can if you switch to browser mode - when reading post tap the three dots ... at top right of screen then select web view

Open and sign in if not already and at bottom select full version. The mobile version is only for reading.

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The like button could come in handy for COTM and other comps, would attract more voters and be more appealing to sponsors with a definitive audience number. Just a thought.

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Not suitable for COTM as it may cause issues as everyone can see who exactly voted for them. The poll is much fairer.

We have analytics that we can share with sponsors. They can also see how many have viewed their posts and advertising of their products/business. Look in a Word from our Sponsors, for example Huey from Huett Marine uses this well.

Some posts that have lots of views are surprising

  • Jamie Olivers fantastic fish pie - 74,578 views and if you throw that into google you will find that it is 4th from the top only 2 below Jamie Olivers own site!
  • Recipes for the Dreaded Carp - 25,955 views
  • Smoking Fish - 25,809 views
  • Black Marlin from a Kayak - 38,831

The google, yahoo, bing bots are sitting here all the time because the changes are so furious at times. Activity is there for sure.

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I'd actually forgotten about the poll for COTM.

That's some interesting stats, I can't think of anything worse than fish pie!

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I'd actually forgotten about the poll for COTM.

That's some interesting stats, I can't think of anything worse than fish pie!

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yes but the reason why the votes are lower is because Tapatalk does not show polls. It is a real pest of an app really.

Wish we had our own - any budding app developers want to play around?

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Guess the site isn't stagnating. One of the best parts of this site is the way people can raise an issue and sometimes it may be controversial but it can be discussed out with a level head and without the chest beating. At the end of the day fishing is a sport or hobby for most people unless you have a professional interest and the decision to be involved in a public forum is voluntary so it is a case of the Field of Dreams...ie. If you build it they will come.

Now looking at Seabreeze I expect there will be hundreds of sea hours spent over the next weekend and hopefully reports next week will keep everyone occupied next week.

PS. Instead of like dislike how about a sea hour meter where people can register time on the water. Maybe separated into shorebased. inshore boat. inshore reef and offshore to get an idea where people spend there time.

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Good idea for a topic.

Personally I think the "like" button's quite a good idea- a lot of people simply don't have time to comment on every post, but probably want fellow raiders to know they at least looked at it.

One thing that I've noticed from a personal perspective is that when I first started fishing last year, catching a bream over 20 cm was an event, or catching a first fish on SPs was a huge achievement and I really felt the urge to come on here and tell people about it. Now that I'm starting to get (a few) more fish that way, I don't really feel the need to put up every report. I tend to post if I've caught something worth telling about or if I've had a session with lots of fish. I don't generally bother with donuts, cos the report section would just be full of them. ;)

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Good idea for a topic.

Personally I think the "like" button's quite a good idea- a lot of people simply don't have time to comment on every post, but probably want fellow raiders to know they at least looked at it.

One thing that I've noticed from a personal perspective is that when I first started fishing last year, catching a bream over 20 cm was an event, or catching a first fish on SPs was a huge achievement and I really felt the urge to come on here and tell people about it. Now that I'm starting to get (a few) more fish that way, I don't really feel the need to put up every report. I tend to post if I've caught something worth telling about or if I've had a session with lots of fish. I don't generally bother with donuts, cos the report section would just be full of them. ;)

like :)

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Firstly I would like to second all the comments about the site not stagnating - all regular readers would know that is not the case and the stats posted certainly back that up.

Secondly my main reason for participating in the forum is the quality of the posts and responses. The moderators deserve great credit in ensuring this quality level stays so high.

Finally my vote is against both like and dislike buttons. I am not in favour of dislike as it just promotes negative feedback. I am also not in favour of a simplistic like button as it does not encourage engagement and discourse. If you can't be bothered to contribute at least one sentence, don't bother.

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I don't like the Like . Too impersonal.

Reply to posts you are interested in.

Post your own success .

Ask questions.

You can meet amazing people.

Fishing is like any sport, when you play with the big boys, you lift your game.

That's what happened for me, thanks to Fishraider.

When is the next social?

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I don't like the Like . Too impersonal.

Reply to posts you are interested in.

Post your own success .

Ask questions.

You can meet amazing people.

Fishing is like any sport, when you play with the big boys, you lift your game.

That's what happened for me, thanks to Fishraider.

When is the next social?

Yeh baby !!! that's what I am talkin about and the next social will be sooner than later...any thoughts on that ?

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Yes please. I would love something like that. I would love something that cover the basics on how to read sounders. What to observe to work out feeding bait fish etc.

Edited by Rami

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I thought I'd throw my inexperienced 2 bobs worth in. I've literally only been fishing since last winter when my son in law gave me a department store combo and since I had no idea I went looking for an active and informative site which was relevant to where I live. Fish raider fitted the bill perfectly. Inspired by the exploits of the likes of Gianni, Seamus,Witha, Ryder and others who fish my estuaries and the info I've gleaned from numerous other posters, past and present, I can now go fishing with decent gear in the knowledge that I now have a better than even chance of catching and releasing something respectable.

If I post it's usually because it's either a milestone for me or new bit of gear which has excited me. If someone takes the trouble to reply then that's a bonus, not an expectation. Far from stagnating, this seems a vibrant and active forum. Maybe members of long standing don't post or reply very much, but judging by the hits most posts receive there are heaps of interested readers out there.

Cheers, Tim

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social at Lake Macquarie would be great.

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I can feel a poll coming on.

Like;

Dislike;

Quick, before we become jaded from the next elections!

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I don't know much about social media trends. Seems to me that for every set of statistics supporting a particular trend, there's as many against it. I'm sure Donna knows what's relevant and what's not. Like button, unlike button...what does it matter? If Donna puts them there we can choose to use them or not. What is very important to us all is that this site keeps going and we all contribute to it...as best as we can. I think Ryder makes a few good points as do some of the other posting members. The one thing we all agree on is that this site is NOT stagnating. Most of us use the site in the same way. We visit regularly, read what interests us most and comment where we have something of interest to contribute. Many of us have made friends with other site members and every one of us has learned a thing or two along the way. WHAT ELSE COULD WE ASK FOR? Keep doing what we're doing, I say. Neil.

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I don't know much about social media trends. Seems to me that for every set of statistics supporting a particular trend, there's as many against it. I'm sure Donna knows what's relevant and what's not. Like button, unlike button...what does it matter? If Donna puts them there we can choose to use them or not. What is very important to us all is that this site keeps going and we all contribute to it...as best as we can. I think Ryder makes a few good points as do some of the other posting members. The one thing we all agree on is that this site is NOT stagnating. Most of us use the site in the same way. We visit regularly, read what interests us most and comment where we have something of interest to contribute. Many of us have made friends with other site members and every one of us has learned a thing or two along the way. WHAT ELSE COULD WE ASK FOR? Keep doing what we're doing, I say. Neil.

Very well said my good man

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Hi. Sorry, i put "my spoon to this soup". I did not read every message, but i think that i did understanding point of this topic. Like Schatchie sayd his first Message:

For me, and as an active moderator of this site, I have learnt more about fishing from reading members reports, than I have in the 20+ years of fishing prior to becoming a member.

I have met so many raiders that I can now call mates and communicate with them sometimes on a daily basis.
The admin of this site are very proactive in asking the members what they would like and organise as many socials to fulfil these requests.
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So continue to place your posts and information as I know it insipires other to do the same!

Cheers scratchie mod team

I feel quite same, even i dont live there. I have calling some Riders, or keep some PM/ E-mail touch. I allso have been learn many things via this forum...like Softplastic fishing, idid not understanding anything about that before, even i have been fishing first time 33 years a go.

Sosial media, and live have been changed, peoles is more busy, read fast new messages, but are too lazy write...not all. Also some peoples affraid write first time and ask "stupid questions". That is wrong way..no have stupid questions, usually have only stupid answers. I have asking many "stupid questions" here, and usually some one answer even his own opinion.

So how to encourage peoples write?

Ok, ofcourse here is allready lot of information, answer for many question, that can be reason why peoples not write so mutch but lurking a lot :). For me, and maby many else, reason why write so rarely is only that, that havent been time or possible go to fishing or testing new tecniques or gears.

But main thing, what you should keep going, is continue organice social happenings, even once on year.

That is my opinion. We had Quite active Seafishing forum in Finland, but socials fishing, what was once in year, end...and site is allmoste complete dead now.

But organised social happenings, it take lot of time and effort, i hope that site owners, moderators and active raiders can do this together. Becouse if only 1-3 peoples organised everything, year after year, it can be too hard.

Anyway, i believe that this site going forward and to future like "400kg halibut on the line", nobody cant stop it :fish_h4h:

And that the truth is not forgotten, http://www.fishraider.com.au/Invision/index.php?showtopic=76212

Jani :sun:

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I would love to try and stop 400 kg halibut ..Jani :horse: good stuff my finnish friend

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I post a report every time I go fishing whether I do good or not so good (which is most of the time!) I think many people don't post if they don't think their day was worth reporting on but it's still going to help someone. As others have said, I too have learned more about fishing here than I have from anywhere else. I'm 5 times the fisho now than what I was 18 months ago (not saying much!) and I've got this site to thank for that.

I think everything is great here and I actually thought things were busier.

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