I fish mainly for flathead. They are interesting, they have moods ! I often wonder if it depends on how full they are ? They often land on the lure, to slow it down ? then engulf it when it moves, Sometimes getting hooked under the jaw. ( hardbody trebles). 78 cm on 3 lb line this way for me ! How many times do they spit it out ? Playing with it. Smaller lures help. I have never used a stinger. I find them fascinating! Nothing better on the table ! My opinion.