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Tilba lake had some significant kills last week. Would have been ~1000 flathead, 1000 bream and a few hundred mullet, 10s of eels and crabs. Water was putrid. I'm not sure if it's fire related or due to high day temps which tipped the ecosystem over the edge. All flatties were between 45-65cm. Such a pity.

Well done GF, nice fish for this time of year with calamari to go with it. Lucky the seal didn't turn up earlier to take your catch!

They are fantastic on the table! He's lucky you caught it instead of me...

I haven't had many overseas trips which fishing played a major part but earlier this year (September) I was in Mozambique. The game fishing was going off at that time with yellowfin, sailfish and dollies being landed. From tofo beach and north is where most of the action was. A great tropical location with friendly locals (providing you get away from the saffas). It helps if you can speak Portuguese though you can make it by without it.

I was listening to the local radio today and the following story came up. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-13/nsw-fishing--mental-health/5809538

Cheers guys, felt like two completely different days to me. One where we were questioning what the hell are we doing out there, the other being 'this is one of the best day ever'. A big thanks goes down to the boys in bermi for weighing the fish, they've really helped us out over the years.

Have you ever tried targeting a type of fish for years only to start to believe they don't exist? You hear the stories, you see photos of people holding them up on the gantry, you see videos of them swimming but you never actually ‘see’ one first hand. All reports are second hand or third hand info; from mates of mates, over the internet, or whispers from blokes you just met at the pub. The fish were ‘everywhere’ just the other day/week/hour before you turn up. You decide to head out, the radio stays quiet and your fishing lines don’t get touched. Some people might say that Darren, Jerom and Myself are some very unlucky fisherman. Not one of us had hooked a confirmed Bluefin tuna despite a combined total of 12 years chasing these fish. For myself and Jerom we were down 3 years, Darren was well seasoned at 6. I don’t believe in superstition, I’m wasn’t prepared to leave it to luck, it was a certainty that I would land a Bluefin tuna, I just wouldn’t give up until I was successful. I remember the first Bluefin tuna I ever saw, and it just so happens to be the day before we caught ours. Darren called on Monday, he was off until Thursday and had been watching the weather forecast carefully. Three times this year we had call off pre-planned Bluefin tuna trips due to strong westerly winds, it appeared the weather was not cooperating this winter. This trip was to be different from previous ones, strong winds had been blowing for a week, we had no recent reports of fish but with an apparent 'break' in the weather a blind trip to Bermagui was being made. With our customary 'day before' planning, none of our previous accommodation was available but we were able to book a cabin in a local caravan park. On leaving the Illawarra the forecast was looking promising to head wide, moderate north winds on Tuesday morning, dropping throughout the day to nothing at night and light winds on Wednesday. I don't know what happened in the bom office during the 5 hour trip down to the far south coast but on arrival to Bermagui saw the forecast had backflipped with 15kts of north wind all day Tuesday and Wednesday. So much for that break in the weather. Our hearts sank and our hands reached for the beers. We woke early on Tuesday and arrived at the local tackle shop to try and raise our spirits. These guys have always been helpful and forthcoming with any knowledge they had on where the tuna may be found. We were met by reports of good catches by longliners but well outside the range of the 'Just Magic' 5.5m seafarer we were in. No good reports by recreational fisherman, a few albies and striped tuna caught, that's about it. Our enquiries on if there’s fish out there was met by ‘doesn’t matter, it looks like you’ve committed to heading out anyway’. They were right, we couldn't justify driving down to this fishing town without at least giving it a go. Heading out in a north-east direction we soon hit the 1000m line in time to hear a report over the radio, a larger boat called Reeltime had hooked and landed a 60kg Bluefin about 30km southeast of our position and it was only mid-morning. We quickly decided to visit the area which had produced the fish only to be met with quiet as we trolled around area, other boats in the vicinity were also not getting any luck. Being cold and wet with the day wearing on we decided to troll back to the shelf as 15-18kts of wind in a 5.5m boat was not so comfortable. On reaching the shelf another report came over the radio of another boat hooked up in a similar area to the fish caught that morning, we decided that it’s too late to head back out so trolled the shelf looking for albacore (albys) only to be met by striped tuna (stripes) and gannets hitting garfish on the surface. A few hook-ups (and drops) later we were heading back to the harbour with a few big 4-6kg stripes. A stripy who couldn't resist the purple skirt A gannet who also couldn't resist the purple skirt We met the Reeltime boat back at the tackle store who showed that Bluefin exist and what a 60kg fish looks like. This was the first Bluefin I had seen, these are some solid fish. We returned to the cabin to find tomorrows forecast had yet again changed, 15-25kts of north wind for Wednesday. Some weather forecasts said dying off during the day, most predicted persistent winds. A unanimous decision was made that if winds tomorrow were as strong as today we would call it quits and head back to the Illawarra. Our hearts sank and our hands reached for the bottle of Krupnik. The next day started 45 minutes later than the day before, it wasn’t the Krupnik that was at fault, it was the 25kt winds hitting Montague Island. Strange, it was light offshore at Bermagui. A quick stop at the tackle shop for a bacon and egg roll (bloody delicious!) also confirmed last nights weather forecast, there was still a reasonable chance the wind would lessen in the afternoon. We sat in the car at the boatramp, eating our bacon and egg rolls trying to get the keen and positivity back. Darren was inclinded to drive back home, Jerom was indecisive and I was leaning towards heading out and giving it a go. The wind at Montague dropped to 24kts and I was able to convince the boys wind was dropping (as it was originally 26kts) and it was worth it to give it another shot. Two hours later we were in 800m of water in winds 5-10kts stronger than the day before, after a few chopped up waves sloshed over the windscreen it was decided we had enough and it was time to head in. On arrival to the 150m depth line the wind slackened to a breezy 15-20kts, we were able to get an update on the Montague Island station which read 12kts from the NNW. See, I said, the wind is dying off. The call was made to wait to see if conditions improved, over the radio larger 7-10m vessels were chatting with people at the boatramp telling them to give it a miss for today as it is a washing machine out wide and very unpleasant. After 20minutes of radio silence, we decided to pass the time by broadcasting the all-time favourite gay shark joke (which was presented perfectly), this was also met by radio silence. Hmm, apparently our humour is something to be desired, it was only an hour later that we noticed that we were broadcasting on the wrong channel. Doh! Trolling around on the shelf had two pods of killer whales come up behind the boat and surf the wake like dolphins. This changed the feeling of the day from ‘what the hell are we doing out in this?’ to ‘oh my god, how freakin awesome is this!’. It was just the morale boost we needed. The wind started to die off and we decided to risk a run out wide towards where the Bluefin were caught the day before, we were in no rush to get out there so we trolled the whole way, hoping for an alby. Two frigates were hooked (and one dropped) early on at the shelf and a big stripy was caught on the way out, meaning I was on strike. Hours passed without any action, one boat out wide put out a report of a dropped fish, possibly marlin based on the fight. We were approaching the mark, about 10kms off in 3000m of water when up ahead we saw a fin exposed on the surface of the water. Our first call was a shark, but on approach saw it turn into a sun-fish milling on the surface. The boat motor was idled, Darren and Jerom rushed over to film it. I went to clear the lines as tangled lines are an annoyance. I was reeling in the second line on the TLD50 overhead, 24kg line attached to 250lb leader running a bibless trembler with twin singles. 10m from the back of the boat it gets taken. ‘I’m on!’ I yell, Jerom and Darren hardly take their eyes off the sunfish. The fish makes a small run, then turns and makes its way back towards the boat. Calls are being made from a small stripy to albacore. The fish wakes up, and starts screaming away just under the surface, it’s something bigger but I don’t want to be the first one to make that call. Everyone else is scrambling to bring in the last two lines. 10 minutes into the fight I am down to 2/3 of a reel, we all agree it’s not an alby. Calls are being made as to the identity of this mystery fish from mako, sunfish, marlin and yellowfin. Noone is calling this a Bluefin (at least not out loud), not surprising as everyone on the boat had not hooked one before and from what we heard they like fighting deep. Also I would say our catch rate per unit effort for Bluefin is very low, so low that even when targeting them we weren’t expecting to get one. Some fancy boat driving by Darren in some windy conditions keeps the pressure on the line and line is recovered onto the reel. Jerom is running around clearing the deck and readys the gaff. Cubes are also being fed out the back of the boat in case there’s a school of fish in the area. I finally get a gimbal belt on and it’s game on! The first run of the fish, the smile says it all 20 minutes into the fight we get the first glimpse of the fish in the water, close enough the leader is out of the water before it takes off again, a large silver belly is seen and I believe I see the yellow finlets. We’ve narrowed it down to either yellowfin of bluefin tuna, the fight is decent enough that we don’t care what type as it was confirmed to be a decent size. I’ve convinced myself the fish is getting tired, because my arms are getting tired. Time to get out the thigh gimbal so I can rest the arms during the long dashes the fish makes across the water surface. Every now and then when the fish changes direction I feel the leader rub on the tail of the fish, the line hums as it rips across the surface of the water. 30 minutes into the fight we are able to get the fish almost to boatside, the double (before the leader) held by an Australian twist is wound through the guides and the size of the fish is seen. Everyone gets extremely nervous, this is followed by the ting ting ting as the twist is pulled under pressure through the guides of the rod as the fish takes off on another surface dash. This fish is big, estimates of 60-100kg are being thrown around, and it is confirmed to be our white whale, a Bluefin. Jerom announces he can’t gaff the fish alone, it’s too big. With no fourth person, two gaffs are tied to the boat with Darren jumping between the wheel and the gaff. Each time the fish is brought boatside the double is wound on, the fish springs to life followed by a further ting ting ting. Jerom is getting more distraught, it’s his knot and he confesses he didn’t stretch any of the knots since tying them prior to the trip. The sound of the twist running through the guides under pressure does not leave a nice feeling in the stomach. Noone wants to lose this fish. Twice the fish runs under the boat with the wind pushing us over it, hard right down with the motor in reverse keeps the pressure on the fish and keeps us out of trouble. I’m struggling at this stage, my face is beetroot red, I’m overheating. I can’t believe I decided to wear thermals, ski pants, a jumper and spray jacket to fight this fish. The decision is made to up the drag, we’ve been fighting on strike drag this whole time. 40 minutes into the fight, the fish looks like it’s had it, it rolls to the side as I’m pulling it in, I decide to stop short of the twist as it had run through the guides enough during the fight that I am questioning how much longer it will hold out. Darren grabs the leader and a gaff is about to be placed behind the head. The fish goes for one more run, this run is different from the rest, for the first time it goes deep. Line keeps peeling off the reel, before we know it we’re down to a bit over half the line capacity. I keep watching it peel off thinking ‘Gahhh! So close! All that effort and now I have to do it all again!’. The line is down to half the spool, the drag is upped again yet the line continues to peel off, I’m also thumbing the reel. Darren makes the call to drive upwind and upcurrent of the fish in a hope to plane the fish up. Our repositioning of the boat takes the reel down to 1/3 of its capacity but it works! The decent of the fish stops and I switch the reel to low gear to winch it from the depths. Halfway to the surface the line loses the extra tension you would expect to have pulling a big fish up against current, it feels like I would be pulling in a bonito or stripy or dare I say it, the belly in the line with nothing attached to it. I start to believe we’ve lost it, I’m winding flat out and we’re gunning the boat away to put pressure on the fish (if it’s still there). Eventually I feel the familiar weight of the fish and bring it to the surface, the two single hooks are pinned solid in the corner of the mouth and the fish is on its side. Darren grabs the line leader and two quick gaff placements secure the fish with minimal thrashing (at least for its size) and rope is fed through the mouth and out through the gills. A quick handshake is shared by all before an attempt is made getting the fish on the boat. It took three attempts, I thought it was because of my sore arms that we struggled, but when the fish hit the deck it was apparent it was a behemoth. 2m long and round as a barrel. It was then that we went ballistic. It was done! It’s a funny thing estimating a fishes size when you have only seen one specimen before, the 60kg fish seen on Reeltime the day before was in a big boat and looked big, our fish was in a small boat and looked big. I estimated 80kg, Jerom called for 90kg and Darren said 100kg perhaps more. We put the call out on the radio on the details of our location and set up the camera for a few photos. Throughout the fight we were marking bait in 10-60m of water and since a decent amount of cubes had gone over the side, we decided to cube for the next hour. We had dive gear on board and underwater cameras that we could film fish with if a school turned up. Instead a small blueshark that was attracted by the cubes, a line was fed out and the blueshark caught for a photo before being released. Several boats had by that stage turned up and we decided to head back to terra firma as we needed to be back in the Illawarra before the morning. Each kilometre closer to the coast the wind reduced until there was nothing, zero swell, zero wind. The water glassed out, bait fish were being hit by birds, seals and dolphins. Whales were heading up north and the sun was setting over the hills into a brilliant red sky twilight as we headed back to Bermagui with our first fish. At the weigh station, Darren gawked at the reading on the scale and asked if it was in lbs, nope. The fish weighed 129kg. A group photo as the fish is weighed The small blueshark which came sniffing up the cube trail Flying home after an epic day on the water The afternoon glassout Dolphins surfing the bow wave of Just Magic Moving the fish to the weigh bridge

A3. Pink-Banded Grubfish. Based on patterns on the nape and snout. A grinner has a shorter snout, an upturned mouth and a shorter dorsal fin (aka one that doesn't run the length of the body/continuous)

Marlin01, do you rinse your fish or do you rinse your fillets? Whole fish have a fatty skin barrier which would slow cell autolysis of internal muscle tissue, skinless fillets do not.

Kingfish are in Jervis Bay all year. Have been seeing them there regularly for the last 2 months.

Changes start from 1st November Main changes for recreational fishing are a reduction from 5 to 2 fish and an increase in minimum size to 70cm. http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/saltwater/sw-species/mulloway/rules

Over the last week there's been 3-5mm baitfish being hit up around bass point and hill 60. Most people fishing these bait balls haven't been having much luck because they haven't been matching the hatch. The fish hitting the bait balls have been bonito, salmon and stripies.

More likely a Pennant fish /threadfin trevally looking at where it was caught. Can tell the differences from these two features. The Diamond Trevally looks similar to the Pennantfish. It can be distinguished by the more angular shape of the head and nape versus a more rounded head, respectively. - See more at: http://australianmuseum.net.au/Diamond-Trevally-Alectis-indica-Rppell-1830/#sthash.A9dsYKN8.dpuf The Juvenile Diamond Trevally, Alectis indica, can be distinguished from the Pennantfish by the presence of filaments on the pelvic fins. - See more at: http://australianmuseum.net.au/Pennantfish-Alectis-ciliaris-Bloch-1787/#sthash.pp7VqoL7.dpuf

Wasn't there a large fuel spill at Penrhyn Rd ramp earlier today? I suspect that might be closed for tomorrow whilst there is a cleanup.

Being stuck at work for the last 3 days and looking out at a glassy ocean really makes you want the weekend to come quicker! After the hit and miss reports from the last few days out of Sydney we've decided to give it another run tomorrow out wide. Being based in Wollongong we were thinking of running up to Sydney to launch closer to the action but am unfamiliar with the ramps. Could someone provide some insight on where would be best ramp launch from?

It appears Katrina Hodgkinson may have a bit too much on her plate being the MP responsible for Primary Industry and Small Businesses. The quota change does not sound intentional, more of a loop hole. If we had a minister dedicated to just primary industry or fisheries this could have been avoided.

Bag limits are a complicated issue. Everyone (including Pros and illegal fishos) can justify why they take the amount of fish that they do. Whether their explanation fits into what you believe is morally right, that's another thing entirely. Really, that's a new one. Hopefully you've backed up your computer and put your tin foil hat on because the feds are coming!

Thanks for posting this Roberta, what a slap in the face! This just aired on 7:30 report last week. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-17/is-research-scaleback-hurting-our-fisheries/4697430?section=nsw These proposed changes are a high risk move now that there is reduced number of scientists looking at NSW fish stocks. Little to no research being performed on fish stock status can easily lead to fish stocks being overfished. All this without consultation with the AFMA or SETFIA!

It's nice to hear some reasonable opinions on the proposed changes. There is another thread in Fishing Chat on this topic that has gone a bit loopy. The proposed option of fin clipping would allow easy identification of black market bought fish at the retail end. Something that is relatively difficult to prove at the moment unless they are caught in the act of buying fish from rec. fisherman. Fin clipping would provide a means to identify fish after this trade has taken place.

This discussion is about Recreational Fishing, not Commercial fishing. Of course commercial fishers have an enlarged catch because they're feeding the 86% of the population who don't fish. But, lets not get side tracked. This topic on discussion is Recreational fishing rule changes. Please note the future implementation of new fishing arrangements to achieve recovery of mulloway is not part of the above review.Written on the Info review page and within the FAQs. The Mulloway discussion paper closed from public review on 16 October 2012. No use bleating like a stuck lamb now that you've missed it, place your focus on something you can change. 2. We are already restricted in terms of size limits with dusky flathead, with only one above 70cm. My Opinion on the proposed rule changes: I agree with the changes to reduce bag limits for sections 1.1, 1.2, 1.3; having set bag limits of 10, 5 and 2 keeps things simple. Reducing baglimits is a way to increase fish stocks without creating more locked out of areas. Section 1.4: I believe the lenient baglimits should be adopted. As fishmaniac has pointed out the money spent on boat fuel chasing larger game fish is not worth the dividends if the bag limit is set too low. Sea conditions already limit the amount of times boats can chase these larger fish. Catch rates are highly variable compared to inshore species. Section 1.5: I agree a 20 finfish (not including baitfish) limit per person is plenty! Even if that person only gets out for a fish every few months. I would also support fin clipping of fish with bag limits under 5 to reduce Illegal fishing for commercial gain. 5 (just) legal flathead gives 10 fillets so it would easily feed 5 people, if one of your teenagers came out with you then you would have enough for 2-3 days of fish. That's just one species, nothing says you can't go target bream or whiting after that. The rationale is written in the discussion paper, I won't post it here but you'll find it on page 10. I agree with their deduction. The waterways are not exclusive to just you or just line fishers, they're used by many other user groups. I can't think of any logical reason why we wouldn't allow bow hunting of carp. It's just another form of 'sight fishing' a declared noxious species. What makes that blue groper more special than a black drummer? Both are great eating fish, both are amazing fighters.

SBL Is this the link you placed in your original post? http://blogs.scentblazer.com/GameFishingBlogs/tabid/723/EntryId/14/Rinse-the-Fish.aspx Whilst not being a food scientist, fish technologist or a marine biologist I can tell that whilst your observations and method may be correct, the reasoning behind it is not. Your premise, Freshwater contains natural bacteria, it is the cause of your smelly fish. Freshwater from the tap will be treated with chlorine, or choroamine to reduce bacteria within the fresh water supply. Whilst most water suppliers don't report all the types of bacteria they do test 'tap' tests for each region and report chlorine levels and common harmful bacteria (such as E.Coli). Bacteria levels are expected to be low, check your local water supplier website. The bacterial concentration in oceanic surface saltwater would vary considerably but here's a paper which shows for their testing around California they got bacteria counts of 102-104.7/mL depending on the location and culture/count method. http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_4/issue_2/0128.pdf Floral bacteria counts on (alive) fish typically ranges from 102-107/cm2 on skin, 103-109/g on gills, 103-109/g within the intestines. Muscle meat is considered sterile. (From end source) In the presence of air (just) spoiled fish contains typically contains 108-109/g flesh or /cm2 skin. If the fish fillet was kept at low temperatures bacteria species Pseudomonas and Alteromonas spp. selectively dominate. As you can see, the source of bacteria is highly unlikely to be from your drinking tap. Further info. If the fish is stored whole, tests on cod show 12-14 days after capture minimal bacteria had invaded muscle tissue when held at low temp. (End source) Strict hygiene measures from handling whole fish is of minor importance, only difference is observed in later stage of storage. Shelf life reduced from 16 to 12 days (from heavily contaminated storage items to aseptic containers). (End source) Fish Spoilage Spoilage of fish is a combination of cell autolysis, enzyme activity and bacteria. Enzymes such as Cathepsin D promote degradation of cell proteins to peptides, when a cell dies this is food for bacteria. Trimethylamine-N-oxide is a metabolite (energy source) and osmolyte (regulates water pressure within living cells) found in fish. The fishy smell that comes from fish shops is Trimethylamine. It is a result of bacteria reducing (aka eating) the Trimethylamine-N-oxide. So the more bacteria converting Trimethylamine-N-oxide to Trimethylamine, the smellier the fish and the quicker the spoilage. (End source) What I believe is happening I believe the difference in rinsing a fillet of fish with fresh water compared to salt water is due to a process of osmosis and diffusion. An average fish muscle contains: Na+, K+, P, Ca2+, Mg2+ at 72, 278, 190, 79, 38mg/100g muscle. Approx 1-2% dissolved salt content + other compounds dissolved within the cell plasma. (http://www.fao.org/wairdocs/tan/x5916e/x5916e01.htm and end source) These dissolved items give the fish muscle a higher osmotic pressure than the fresh water you are rinsing with (check salt contents with your water provider). The water moves into surface muscle cells via osmosis until it bursts, this may happen whilst you are rinsing or in the minutes following. Burst muscle cells can't retain water so surface fillet texture and flavour is lost. If cell lysis occurs after rinsing, the proteins and enzymes within the cell are more readily available as food for bacteria. Cathepsin D is activated by water, accelerating bacteria growth. Salt water has a salt content of 3.5g/100g water, 3.5% dissolved salt content and not many other dissolved compounds. This makes salt water similar in osmotic pressure to the muscle cells of salt water fish fillet. No significant intake or outtake of water from the cell occurs thus texture is preserved. Cathepsin D is deactivated by salt water, enzyme activity is completely diminished by a 5% NaCl (salt) solution. Proteins are kept intact, thus flavour remains unaltered If anyone is studying in the area of food technology, it would be good to hear your thoughts on this. Beware of supercooling your fish in your esky. Using saltwater ice (ie freezing saltwater as blocks of ice) can cause partial freezing of your fish which would ruin the texture. Saltwater (ocean water) does not freeze homogeneously, the last bit to freeze (or defrost) occurs at -21C at 23% salt whilst the first bit which freezes (or last to defrost) occurs at 0C with ~0% salt. Most bony fish begin to freeze at -0.8C. This means with saltwater ice blocks, in salt water with your fish could have the temperature at -5C, which would freeze 62% of your fish. This is equivalent of freezing (cooling fish)-->unfreezing (to fillet) -->freezing (storage for dinner in a month) --> unfreezing (dinner). Not good for the texture of your fish. What SBL mentioned, is what I do too. With fresh water in your bottles, the temperature of the saltwater will not dip below 0C. I don't wash my fillet in fresh or salt water. But the reasoning for that will be saved for another thread. End Ref: Fresh Fish - Quality and Quality Changes: A Training Manual Prepared for the FAO/DANIDA Training Programme on Fish Technology and Quality Control, H. H. Huss, 1988 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=50vKuTi-65AC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Changes are effective immediately. See fisheries media release http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/460620/20130312-MARINE-PARKS-MEDIA-RELEASE-final.pdf For specifics of the reform see http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/info/marinereform

Certain restrictions still apply. Land based fishing only on beaches and headlands, does not include embayments and estuaries (eg: you still cannot fish within the sanctuary zones inside Jervis bay). Etc etc... read info below... The amnesty does not apply to Burrewarra Point within the Burrewarra Point Sanctuary Zone at Guerilla Bay. The area where restrictions will remain is defined as the whole of the Burrewarra Point rock platform from the south of the southern end of Guerilla Bay Beach to the eastern end of the first beach approximately 700 metres from the point on the southern side of Burrewarra Point. http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/460367/Factsheet-beaches-and-headlands.pdf

Recognise rock fishing can be a dangerous sport. Negate the risks by learning to swim, fish with a mate, choose a spot sensible for the conditions, wear the correct footwear and clothing. I am sorry to hear about this, I'm sure it could have been avoided. RIP mate.

Manhands, spearos do require a fishing licence. Have a bit of a chat with them, they'll more than likely let you know what they've seen.