I have tried that many different braids off the rocks and surf that I can truly say the Daiwa j braid is the best on the market and it's actually reasonably priced for s Japanese braid One thing is a must though. Atleast 2m of mono leader for casting with any braid! Using an fg knot 500m of 65lb for 90 about 6 -9 months ago from tackle shop at Coffs Harbour