there is bigger than them but they are hard to extract..we have tried fishin heavier but the more you give to the bigger ones the more they give back to you..i fish a balancing act with 15lb mono and fish them light drag or they just reef you instantly...I am fishing in pretty rough reef with rises from 50ft to 30ft back down to 60ft and the reds love goin round luderick heads and thru kelp...I had 5 nice fish in my ten bag limit but got dusted about 12 times over two sessions..who knows how big some of them are..my biggest is 11kilo from same area but there is bigger than that im sure...one thing is for sure I love doin it and cant wait to get back there...rick