Hi mick, i cant help with weights for the patriot 650, but my haines signature 650f is about 2200 fully loaded on a gal trailer (signle 200 outboard) (under 2 ton with a new alloy trailer) Also, i wouldn't rule out the above utes, the colarado is rated for 3.5 ton and i know someone that tows around that weight everyday for work! With newer trailers with electric brakes, towing is a lot safer. let us know what u decide to get