bobfish Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 After deciding to buy a new G Loomis the old (and very faithful) procaster came out for one last lash before the upgrade. Over the weekend i hit 23 flatties on hard bodies and plastics alike. Although they weren't massive they came often....All fish were caught within 30m of each other on a small drop off and all were released. A fitting way to see the old girl off to the flick stick grave yard!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bream Mad Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Great work to send off an old favourite 23 is a serious number of flatties, i don't think i have ever caught that many in a session, great work!! Speaking of the Procaster i just bought a 6"0' Procaster Z and i just love it!! christened it on sunday with 2 Bass in two casts he , he Go the flatties BM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 23 Flatties is a nice tally and lots of fun penguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfish Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) Great work to send off an old favourite 23 is a serious number of flatties, i don't think i have ever caught that many in a session, great work!! Speaking of the Procaster i just bought a 6"0' Procaster Z and i just love it!! christened it on sunday with 2 Bass in two casts he , he Go the flatties BM Thanks mate, and nice work with the bass! I picked up the loomis today.....its unreal. I may post some pics soon.... Ive been hitting the flatties for months now, and ive got them well and truly sorted, but im after a new challenge....Bream on lures . I feel like im beating my head against a wall Any tips Bream Mad???? (or any of the other pro's out there????) Edited May 16, 2007 by bobfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Knot Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 After deciding to buy a new G Loomis the old (and very faithful) procaster came out for one last lash before the upgrade. Over the weekend i hit 23 flatties on hard bodies and plastics alike. Although they weren't massive they came often....All fish were caught within 30m of each other on a small drop off and all were released. A fitting way to see the old girl off to the flick stick grave yard!!!! bobfish - Great work on the flat friends What flavour Loomis have you bought? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfish Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 bobfish - Great work on the flat friends What flavour Loomis have you bought? John I went for the GL2 4-8lb flavour....its delicious!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Knot Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I went for the GL2 4-8lb flavour....its delicious!!!! Good onya glad you are enjoying it. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bream Mad Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Thanks mate, and nice work with the bass! I picked up the loomis today.....its unreal. I may post some pics soon.... Ive been hitting the flatties for months now, and ive got them well and truly sorted, but im after a new challenge....Bream on lures . I feel like im beating my head against a wall Any tips Bream Mad???? (or any of the other pro's out there????) The main difference between catching Bream on lures and flatties is where you cast it!! Bream are probably easier to catch on SP's under most situations, but you still get many more flatties than Bream. Using HB's I generally catch more Bream than flatties but it is slightly tougher. Basically just cast you lure tight to structure and tweak it with plenty of pauses watching the line for signs of a take. To give you an example there is a shallow sand/mud flat i fish often that has plenty of good current flow but structure is limited to a few small sea grass patches and mangrove edges. I ONLY cast to these places if i am after Bream, because i know this is were they live. If i am after flatties i cast to the edges of drop offs. Structure is definitely the kew to catching Bream on lures, also a bit of current flow tends to congregate the fish to structure. BM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arpie Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) Hi Bobfish Great work & lovely shots to boot! I hope you are not serious in pensioning off your procaster .... look at how well it has served you! Enjoy your Loomis - just don't do a Bow & Arrow cast!! Cheers Roberta Like you I am fine on flatties, but not proven on bream! Hope to pop the cherry this weekend - a mad bunch of fishos running/paddling all round Forster all weekend! Will have to get a decent 'bream' flickstick as well, I guess! Edited May 16, 2007 by Roberta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinp Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Gday Bobfish, I dont consider myself a pro, however most of my Bream fishing is done standing 10 feet from a very damn good Bream fisho who has won tournaments, and usually finishes well in all others over a long period of time, I have been fortunate enough to learn the trade from him, factors that I consider most important when chasing Bream are, fish to the conditions, fish the tides, no run no fun, fish as light as possible, I am currently running 6pnd tld braid and 6pnd nitlon leader and I am finding this to be a little to heavy at the moment as, example three weeks ago we were both fishing a marina in the parra and I got flogged by my mate at least 15 fish to nil, we were both using gulp craws he was using four pnd tld and four pnd fulling mills leader and I was not, now that was not probably the only reason he smashed me, the guy can cast 20 metres and land his unweighted gulp on a bloody pin head, sometimes I cant hit the side of a barn, accurate casting is a must if fishing structure for bream, practise, practise, practise, also being accurate is not all you need, you must be able to land the plastic softly in some situations or you can simply spook them off, combine this with all other variations such as walk the dog, slow roll, twitch and lift, correct jighead in relation to plastic, sharp trebles on hardbodys and it can become frustrating, also I strongly reccomend getting good polarised sunnies, I have crap ones atm and struggle to see fish when sight fishing in some light conditions when my mate says look at the size of that and promptly puts his plastic right in front of it, and I am still staring in the water with a puzzled look, sometimes I think he has some kind of Jedi powers, so in summing up get yourself some plastics that work, gulp craw in camo is going off for us atm, baby vibe 43 hardbodies preferably with orange underneath or natural looking, fantastic hardbody in murky or lowlight conditions, set your self a game plan and stick with it, trust me it will pay off eventually, once you catch a few that way, then change game plan and try other tecnniques, espescially surface fishing, just about the best fun that you can have fishing imo, be stealthy in the boat no excessive noises and most of all have fun, cheers Justin, (FIRST POST) sorry so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrealist Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Are you sure it's not the same fish being caught 23 times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark* Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 well done mate 23 fish is a great weekend, great way to send off a rod to. regards mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfish Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) Are you sure it's not the same fish being caught 23 times? I was waiting for that call! Trust me i was thinking the same.. justinp... thanks for the heads up mate, im definitely going to put those principles into practice...for a first post your hitting the spot ...... no . So in a nut shell; Find a nice, fish holding, lure eating snag amongst running water. Twich then pause...using the lightest line im willing to cast and then strike when i see a take???? Sounds like beating your head against a wall...i love it! Walk the dog, slow roll, twitch and lift???? Definitely outa my vocab, can you elaborate??? Roberta... Have you seen a Gloomie unable to bow cast??? Id rather learn now than in practice!!! Bream Mad... Do you favour the HB or Sp's? Im more of a HB man but the SP's are coming out more often.... Edited May 17, 2007 by bobfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flattieman Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Sounds like a great session, Bob. 23 flatties is a great tally for anyone! Good luck with the bream! Flattieman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arpie Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Hi Bobfish I am in mourning .... I busted my favourite flattie rod yesterday, fishing for mullet with a float!! I didn't even have a fish on! Must have nicked the duco somewhere earlier! Am in the process of repairing it, so hope it will be as good as it was before! Am currently trying to learn the bow & arrow cast, since seeing Stewy doing it at the Entrance! - mine looks more like a bow & flop! Doesn't go very far, yet! Cheers Roberta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kw367 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Am currently trying to learn the bow & arrow cast, since seeing Stewy doing it at the Entrance! - mine looks more like a bow & flop! Doesn't go very far, yet! Wow, the jargon in this thread would be like listening to my teenage son talking, except.....I haven't got a teenage son!! Anyhoo, excuse my ignorance but can somebody explain how to do a bow & arrow cast?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfish Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Wow, the jargon in this thread would be like listening to my teenage son talking, except.....I haven't got a teenage son!! Anyhoo, excuse my ignorance but can somebody explain how to do a bow & arrow cast?? I picked this up from a fly-fishing site..... Bow and Arrow cast This is a short line cast, useful for really overgrown areas. Here's what we do; we get hold of the fly with our free hand and trapping the line with our forefinger of our rod hand we force a bend into the rod, then sighting up our target with the tip of the rod we release the fly, and out it flies to our chosen point. Not a long cast by any means: but a really useful one. One of the difficulties posed by this cast is how to hold the fly, bend the rod and not hook oneself. There are three solutions that I know of: the most obvious is to grip the fly at the bend of the hook - a bit like a fly vice does - which is fine for large flies... another, is to hold the fly with a pair of forceps, or pliers: this is my favoured way You can increase the power of the bow-and-arrow cast with a little wrist snap with the rod hand. cheers mate, Bobfish ps. is anybody in the know about the 'Walk the dog', 'slow roll' and 'twitch and lift' techniques?? Edited May 18, 2007 by bobfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kw367 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Thanks Bobfish, that's about what I figured it would be! Edited May 18, 2007 by kw367 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flattieman Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 ps. is anybody in the know about the 'Walk the dog', 'slow roll' and 'twitch and lift' techniques?? Bob, the "walk-the-dog" is a fairly jerky retrieve at a moderate speed (sometimes performed on or near the surface), "slow roll" is just slowly winding the lure back towards you and "twitch and lift" is pretty self-explanatory - it combines a small twitch and a larger "lift" of the lure. Twitch and pause is another variation. I'm no bream expert, so there's plenty of room for bream specialists to describe the subtleties of those retrieves. Flattieman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfish Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 Thanks Flattieman, I put those suggestions into practice this morning as well as those from justinp's post. Whilst chasing that ever elusive Bream i came across 4 types of fish. I caught a small taylor to start with, it kicked hard and on my new 4lb leader made me stress a little I then caught a small flattie, then another, then another, then i was SMASHED by a long tom......i couldnt believe it!! This fish had 3 runs and fought like a minni marlin, it was very satisfying to see it on dry land! I then picked up 2 sole before the wind picked up....a nice session but no Bream! Thanks a heap for the help though guys......il get em sooner or later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flattieman Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 Nice flounder, mate. Looks like the area that you fish is almost beach-like.Do you have any pics of the longtom? Was there any size to it? 4lb leader does give you a scare sometimes - but if you stay calm and play the fish properly, you'll be surprised what you can land! Flattieman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfish Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) Hey Flattieman, This is not a great photo by any means..... I actually dropped the tom just within sight so I fed him line and he took the sp again! It was fun to watch! Im fishing narrabeen lake at the moment, its open to the ocean so the water is very clean. Also a pic of another of this mornings flatties... Edited May 19, 2007 by bobfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinp Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 Sorry Bobfish have been busy, walk the dog is usually best performed with a surface lure but can be utilized with plastics rigged on worm hooks, (ecogear grass minnows in pink are good), I found it difficult to learn and have found that some lures make it easier than others, best way to describe it would be pointing rod tip to the water and on the side and as you wind steadily, jerk the rod tip smoothly about four inches back and forward, smoothness is the key, this retrieve is dynamite when fishing the surface for bream, fish the run up tide early morning over oyster encrusted rocks, cast a popper or fizzer right up onto the shoreline let it rest when the rings from the splash have dissapated use this technique for about 2-4 metres hopefully to where the water depth starts to drop off then pause, usually you will get hit on the pause, you dont need a boat to di this you can also cast along the shore line, try to pick good areas with lots or rocky snags, also best done with the sun in front of you as I have found that when your shadow falls on the water the fish can become spooked very easily, try surecath poppers very cheap, or river2sea poppers are also good. The easiest surface lure to learn walk the dog is called a sammy although it is not a true popper. Slow roll is just a steady slow retrieve with a few pauses, done best with plastics rigged weedless on special jigheads or even better an sx-40 ecogear hardbody, gentle wind pause, let the llure float up to the surface, when you see it pause some more then continue the slow roll, you can add the odd twitch or even lift the rod tip occasionally to vary this. Lift and twitch is best performed IMO with a gulp worm, turtleback or even most gulps, cast out towards whatever structure you are fishing, let sing then deadstick, (no rodmovement 10 seconds) then lift rod tip up quickly and jiggle the tip towards the top of the lift this produces twitching in the lure, let it sink again and deadstick again for ten seconds, usually the lure gets hit whilst sitting on bottom or on the drop, so watch your line whilst sinking, fluoro braid works best in this situation. Cheer for now and goodluck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfish Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Once again i was out and about this morning. I fished the snags, the weed beds and the flats, up to and beyond the high tide. Im now using a G Loomis and a stradic 1000 wrapped with 4lb crystal fireline, with 4lb momoi flurocarben leader. I went out armed with assorted gulps including 3''fry in pumkin, 3''craw in camo, 2''minnow in pumkin, 6''worm in camo and natural. Although i had heaps of fun i didn't get any bream. Im starting to think they know im coming, or they read fishraider or something . I did on the other hand land an assortment of fish, including whiting, flounder and flatties. I caught two of the flatties using the walk the dog technique and another using the slow roll (thanks justinp) . I actually saw the dark coloured flattie take my sp while i was admiring my new technique, it seemed to come from nowhere as it was well buried under the sand. Heaps of fun! Here's another couple of pics... I had a youngster come up and ask if i was a marine bioligist, on account of me photographing my catch....i said i wish!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyt Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 good work bobfish you are killing the flatties,I'm not an expert on lures and sp's on bream but my friend Robbie who caught pretty much everything on lures and sp's told me when you fish for bream to slow your actions right down and have a smooth action on your sp's and lures try those little crankbaits as well he tells me they are tops in the shallows good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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