Luringbream Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 (edited) stop mentioning that Kelvin! i am trying to forget about it and do some work between now and then!!! i CANNOT wait! Are the samson on at the moment? What are they like over there late dec - early jan? DAN Edited December 5, 2007 by Luringbream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Zee Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Are the samson on at the moment? What are they like over there late dec - early jan? DAN i dont know about now i think they started to get them but im not sure. early jan they're gonna be ducking for cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namesay Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 (edited) i dont know about now i think they started to get them but im not sure. early jan they're gonna be ducking for cover THe samsons are very interesting as they are "our" fish. We are the only country to have them! The fishing off perth is just unbelieveably good. Here in sydney we only seem to get the midget samsons but over there they congregate to breed. It seems like they come from all around oz to meet at perth. The average size is about 20-30kgs. They pull like a freight train but don't fight dirty like kings. Pound for pound I think the kings are harder fighters. Also samsons pack it in when they are on the surface whereas a king jigged up from similar depths will still go for another run or 2 once near the boat. Just read an interesting article in the January issue of modern fishing. It was written by Phil Bennet on fishing for jews. He has very similar ideas to mine including the need for quietness. It was very interesting yesterday as in one of our spots we were getting a good kingfish bite happening. Having a bent rod in sydney harbour is like flagging a chip to a seagull. Within a few minutes we had several other boats around. A couple were downrigging around with their petrol engines. The noise and commotion had the effect of shutting the bite down on shy fish. Tried for another 15 mintues without anything. Eventually moved to another spot and got kings straight away. In a few of the spots we had the kings circling our boat chasing other hooked fish. Had a tag team going with the kings. It was a matter of find the fish on the sounder and within seconds the bait would go off and a few of the hooked fish's mates would come around and snoop around to be caught on the second bait. Pretty good fishing when this happens! GOt a kingie once again while spinning for flathead but still got a few flatties which cheered me up. I dropped one and it still hurts. Cheers Kelvin Edited December 6, 2007 by namesay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalty Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 sounds good, u guys got any pics of ur flatty's lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntman Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 gah all this talk of kings has me salivating... need to get out soon as the boat is back! All I've been catching lately is flatties. Maybe I'm the ANTI KELVIN! I think the noise stuff depends on what kind of noises and conditions are prevalent, and the other aspect of boats circling around, is definately big shadows! I'm of the opinion that the "spookability" of fish changes with different conditions. If they are in a situation where they are naturally more cautious looking for predators then they will be more esily scared. This changes with water clarity, general frequency of traffic in the area, how many natural predators they have, the species of fish, water temps and a whole bunch of other things that will send you insane if you think too much about them. One interesting note is that silence and darkness are relied on in bream fishing at night for bigger models, which may mean those seasoned fish learn to associate noises and erratic light with danger. Something to think about indeed. I wouldn't have guessed pelagic fish would be affected because of the nature of how they hunt, so what you say is interesting kelvin, and has implications for downrigging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namesay Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 (edited) gah all this talk of kings has me salivating... need to get out soon as the boat is back! All I've been catching lately is flatties. Maybe I'm the ANTI KELVIN! I think the noise stuff depends on what kind of noises and conditions are prevalent, and the other aspect of boats circling around, is definately big shadows! I'm of the opinion that the "spookability" of fish changes with different conditions. If they are in a situation where they are naturally more cautious looking for predators then they will be more esily scared. This changes with water clarity, general frequency of traffic in the area, how many natural predators they have, the species of fish, water temps and a whole bunch of other things that will send you insane if you think too much about them. One interesting note is that silence and darkness are relied on in bream fishing at night for bigger models, which may mean those seasoned fish learn to associate noises and erratic light with danger. Something to think about indeed. I wouldn't have guessed pelagic fish would be affected because of the nature of how they hunt, so what you say is interesting kelvin, and has implications for downrigging. I can definitely tell you that this year I have caught more and bigger fish when NOT downrigging. One charter operator who specialises in downrigging has stopped downrigging in certain spots as a result of seeing me doing well without a downrigger. It makes sense that when you can spot the fish around structure or when they are schooled up you spend as much time as you can directly in the strike zone. With downrigging you make a pass and then have to turn and make another pass. Downrigging works extremely well when searching for fish but I have found you can get superior results most of the time without one even when you are looking for fish. Just need to go real slow or drift with weighted baits. A few of the charter operators in Sydney have packed up their downriggers as they have found it not so useful. Of course there IS a place for downriggers and they are fantastic tools and another option up your sleeve but they aren't the magic bullet. There are certain spots in pittwater and in the harbour where I hardly ever catch a fish on a downrigger. I used to think that there were no fish there. Little did I realise I was probably scattering and scaring the fish. When I stopped to think about what I was doing and went "silent" I picked up fish after fish. The next time you are out fishing and see kings chopping on the surface, they will normally stay away from the boat. They seem to keep a certain distance and move away when that distance is enchroached. Of course you will have the kings right next to your boat especially if you bring in a hooked fish but when they are naturally feeding they keep the distance. If you then extrapolate this to downrigging, your boat can have the effect of keeping it a marine desert to a certain radius. THis is not to say it happens all the time but it is something to keep in mind when the fish are shut down. Just look what happens when you walk across the flats and see the scattering of the fish as you approach them. With kings they defintiely prefer a moving bait so it is very useful to eith drift quietly or troll as quietly as possible. THis way you will get to see the fish on your sounder more often and in time you'l build up a knowledge base of where they like to hide. Without doubt when my petrol motor is on I don't see even 30% of the fish I can spot when the motor is off. This is not to say that ALL fish in ALL circumstances shy off the boat but fishing is a game of percentages. In the blue water things are a little different but this topic is on kings and jews. I have gone to extraordinary means to fit the quietest modes of transport in all my boats...big and small. Tony has also gone to a lot of trouble as well. By carefully keeping the percentages in your favour you can maximise your time on the water. Cheers Kelvin Edited December 6, 2007 by namesay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choad Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 what type electric motor are you running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Zee Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 what type electric motor are you running? all types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namesay Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 (edited) I have a bow mount motorguide with wireless control. Absolutely great. Also own a couple of minnkotas. Normally the break down every few months. Also have a watersnake. OK for the money but everything feels a bit "cheap". I talked to my Perth contact yesterday. He told me the fish are on. Getting fish over 100lbs. Seriously told me to work out before coming. Cheers kelvin Edited December 7, 2007 by namesay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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