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Evan Spary

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Hello All,

I stand by what i say in my earlier post in offering advice or information on products or services relating to Daiwa. If you have questions relating to Daiwa products feel free to post them on the site and i will try to answer them as soon as possible. This will be done mostly in my own time so please understand that i may not be able to get to them straight away but anything marked to my attention i will try and answer as soon as possible.

Remember too that we have some excellent fishing tackle retailers out there and those guys are always more than happy to help. As they say a picture is worth a thousand words and talking about a reel or rod just isnt quite the same as seeing one in the flesh.

Evan

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Hi Evan

First question for you.

Daiwa Samurai. Can I get a replacement spool that wont corrode out when used in salt water? (Samurai 7i 1500) or is this reel purely a fresh water only reel?

I have now had two replacement spools for this reel, with the same problem on each. I have even requested better spools from higher range diawas, but they dont match. The problem is at the top lip of the spool, where there apears to be two different alloys, and the corrosion occurs to as I found out, well under the line through all the spool, and degenerates any mono backing that you use. I will add that I wash down my reels every session with fresh water (light spray) and that no other reels I own have the same problem. I even have tried on seperate occasions, lanoguard and WD40 to protect the spool. This reel is now relegated to a spare with the graphite spare spool, and I have purchased better quality reels (non diawa) that are my main reels.

Thanks in advance

Adrian

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I had excatly the same problem. Retruned it twice and had the spool replaced twice. Then a bearing went (I think) and I gave up. Have not bought Daiwa since.

Look forward to youir reply Evan and thanks for ypur offer of assistance. I'll post a pic this evening

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Evan, just checked the reel box and they did not return the damaged spool so I dont have a pic. In addition to the bearing problem, the drag click also went around the same time, I was told that this could be fixed but as mentioned I had written the reel off as a bad experience at that stage. When the reel was retruned to the retailer the turnaround from memory was 2 weeks first time and 3-4 weeks the second. I dont think the reel ever left the shop, as it was a straight forward part replacement.

Thanks

Mark

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Great stuff good to have you onboard.

I need to get something off my chest. Its got noting to do with you. More so at......... well just read on....

Don`t get me wrong theres good and bad reels and all manufactures are to blame.

What gets me is that some buys the cheapest bottom end of a particlular make, yes some do cost around the $100 mark.......then sometime down the track it fails, :1badmood: They then refuse to buy another one of those makes. How is that so. Its goes without saying. Pesonally i see it everyday, its an ongoing problem.

You want trouble free spend$$$ Want something to last buy good quality etc bmw , merc , don`t have the cash? Well buy a hyundai almost garrenteed to fail in the fisrt 3-5yrs! (pls all you hyundai owners don`t take offence). The amount of sh$T we get about el-cheapo reels failing is out of this world. Somene who fishes regularly should NOT be buying reels in $50-120 range. There GOING to fail!

It baffles me, and i shake my head!

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Before I put the question, let me make it clear that whilst the question may have been prompted by another post, it has nothing to do with any specific tackle manufacturer but requests general advice.

Q. If my reel goes for a swim in salt water and I intend to either service it myself or have the local tackle bloke clean it up, wouldn't I be better off if I kept it immersed in freshwater until it was stripped down? I figure that most corrosion will be accelerated when the metals are in contact with air and the corrosion will be lessened if kept out of contact with air i.e. submerged in freshwater. Any thoughts?

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Gentlemen

When I offered my advice, I did not mean I would become a complaints hotline. There are proper measures already in place for warranty issues and that begins with returning the reel to the retailer it was purchased from. The retailer then contacts the wholesaler and the process begins from there. Alternatively you can return the reel direct to Daiwa yourself, just include proof of purchase. With Daiwa reels there is a general 12 month warranty from time of purchase if you purchased one of our reels covered by a 5 year warranty(you get a card in the box) you naturally get a 5 year warranty.

We treat all warranty issues as individual cases and as such their is a level of privacy involved in each. I will not discuss individual cases on a public forum.

Evan, just checked the reel box and they did not return the damaged spool so I dont have a pic. In addition to the bearing problem, the drag click also went around the same time, I was told that this could be fixed but as mentioned I had written the reel off as a bad experience at that stage. When the reel was retruned to the retailer  the turnaround from memory was 2 weeks first time and 3-4 weeks the second. I dont think the reel ever left the shop, as it was a straight forward part replacement.

Thanks

Mark

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Evan

Sorry to start the comments off with the Samuarai topic, but it was really a question as to wther this reel is really offered for sale as a fresh or salt water model, seem to have opened a can of worms.

Dan

You want trouble free spend$$$ Want something to last buy good quality etc bmw , merc , don`t have the cash? Well buy a hyundai almost garrenteed to fail in the fisrt 3-5yrs! (pls all you hyundai owners don`t take offence). The amount of sh$T we get about el-cheapo reels failing is out of this world. Somene who fishes regularly should NOT be buying reels in $50-120 range. There GOING to fail!

in response to your comment about getting what you pay for, I totaly agree. The samuarai is a budget reel and I bought it when getting back into alot more fishing. I now own a shimano reel in that size that cost twice the price, and as you say, I could have bought a Diawa in the same price range and not had the same problems. My only comment is it seems to be a basic design flaw with the two different alloys in the spool. I was not expecting the bee's knees with this reel, drag and bearing wise, and a graphite frame, but thought that the spool at least should last.

Am currently looking for a new pelagics spin reel (have been for a while :( ) and have not written of Diawa's, and on your topic, I know that reels of the $100 mark are not going to last with constant useage, so am looking at spending much more, just the budget limits at the moment.

Sorry if I put my post in the wrong vein, and was putting Diawa down. If you look back at some of my recomendations for reels when other ask, I say to spend money if you are going to fish alot.

Sorry just wanted to clear that up.

Adrian

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Swoffa

Give Rudy or Andrew a call at Thornliegh Tackle regarding your Diawa SLD30. I know they took the topic up regarding drag settings with Diawa and have told me about the drag kit that rectifies the strike/sunset settings. Unfortunately/fortunately, thanks the Aero selling his as new TLD25, I didnt need to worry about this conversion kit :1clap:

Adrian

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Andrew

There is a kit available to ''lengthen'' the drag curve so to speak. It involves adding or removing spring washers and a new cam. Daiwa lever drags all work on the same principal of ''pulling'' a shaft through the center of the spool. This intern either forces a single or twin disc drag to make contact with a metal plate. The amount of pressure applied is governed by the cam and spring washers.

The steep drag curve is not considered a fault with the reel, i think you may be exagerating a little when you say a few millimeters beyond strike. I have never come across one with such a steep curve. I have seen and used quite a few of these reels and in my personal experience never been bothered by a steep drag curve. Generally its set and forget with drag systems while chasing fin or marlin.

If you wish your reel to be done PM me and i can let you know all the details.

Evan

OK, I hope I can contribute to this a leave the baggage of the other thread out of it.  :tease:

I have a question regarding my SLD30.

For those who don't knw, it's a lever drag overhead reel. I run 15kg line on it and have the drag set at 5kg in strike, if during a fight I need to increase the drag pressure and push the lever forward a couple of millimetres the drag jumps straight to about 9kg and the line breaks.

Aparently there's a drag kit that can be added to this reel to allow more "play" in the drag to avoid this fault. I know Allen Glover has spoken to Daiwa about the issue and had the kit supplied for free to rectify the faulty design. However, I've had the reel back at Daiwa and was told (via the tackle store) that no such kit exists.

So how can I get my hands on the kit?

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Guys,

As a moderator I have taken it upon myself to tidy this thread up a bit. I'm sorry if it upsets anyone, but Evan is kind enough to offer us his advice and help on a professional level as a Daiwa Technician.

Lets keep it to Daiwa products, and not offer up anything that is not really pertinent.

Cheers. :thumbup:

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Hi Evan,

Welcome to the site and thanks for volunteering your knowledge.

1) The question has come up lots of times about which grease to use when servicing reels. When servicing a car the replacement grease and oil is specified. I have never seen this info for a reel.

Can you provide a specification for the original grease used in Daiwa threadline reels?

Also where can we get this grease?

2) Would Lanox be a suitable lubricant for the line roller bearing? The manual states a light machine oil but I would rather not use any petroleum based products

in an area where they could get on the line.

3) After use I have always washed the reel off in fresh water (light spray), dried it and used Lanox on the exposed moving parts. Diawa's recommendation is to spray the reel with WD40 to displace water then polish off the excess. In your experience is washing the reel in fresh water OK?

Cheers,

Jeff

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Hello Bluecod

An excellent question. Guys in the outboard service industry have offered the exact same advice for years. If you outboard goes swimming it 's best to leave it where it is, if possible, then get it to a service depot ASAP. If not drop it in a drum of freshwater till its pulled apart.

Now before anyone jumps down my throat for contradicting myself (read earlier post) this isn't always the most practical solution or even possible in some situations. It generally definately isnt the most cost effective solution. I cant imagine any courier company willing to transport buckets full of freshwater to our offices!!!. With bearings in reels, once it is dry, the damage is done I'm afraid.

Best advice i can offer is not to drop your reel!!!!!! But, seriously, if it happens and it happens to all of us at some stage about the only thing you can feasbly do is to try and get some oil into the bearings ASAP.

Evan

Before I put the question, let me make it clear that whilst the question may have been prompted by another post, it has nothing to do with any specific tackle manufacturer but requests general advice.

Q. If my reel goes for a swim in salt water and I intend to either service it myself or have the local tackle bloke clean it up, wouldn't I be better off if I kept it immersed in freshwater until it was stripped down? I figure that most corrosion will be accelerated when the metals are in contact with air and the corrosion will be lessened if kept out of contact with air i.e. submerged in freshwater. Any thoughts?

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I will give you a run down on what i do to my reels and it may shock you all to know that i own and use Abu, shimano and penn reels :biggrin2: and of course Daiwa.

After EVERY (well most of the time) fishing session i give my reels a rinse with the hose on a LIGHT setting. Dont wont to force any crap in. Then most important, wipe the reel off with a clean rag. This stops water sitting on the surface of the reel and then working its way in while you have left it to dry.

I hit my reels every couple of sessions with Inox. Stick the reel on a table and spray away this one you dont have to wipe off let it sit for a couple of hours to soak in.

Get a Daiwa oiler (shameless, shameless plug) or similar needle nose oiling device and oil your handle and line roller bearing every now and then.

Depending on use i will generally service (total strip down and clean) my reels every six months or so, my spin stuff more frequently cause i use them the most. Whether i think they need it or not, i still do them. Preventative maintenance is always the best.

Another for you to ponder Evan,

What in your opinion is the minimum (self serviceing) or cleaning we should be doing to our reels after we have fished for a day or 2 with them. 

cheers

:tease:

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Simple one from me...

As we're now seeing more high-end spinning rods brought into Australia by Daiwa, how long will it be 'til the Battler Limited's arrive?

I'm not sure if it was you I spoke to Evan, but the last time I visited the Daiwa warehouse I asked this question, (I also inquired about the DEVEL 03). At the time you weren't sure when the next shipment will be.

Joe

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Hello Bluecod

REPLY.

Evan

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Evan,

Thanks for your reply :1clap::1clap: - hopefully after an initial burst you may get some time to yourself.

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Thanks Bluecod

i think i might be busy for the next couple of days.....

i will answer everyone eventually, got time for one more tonight then i'm off

was suposed to go fishing..........

Evan,

Thanks for your reply  :1clap:  :1clap: - hopefully after an initial burst you may get some time to yourself.

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G'Day Joe

Battler Limited's are coming, only one model at this stage, the 'Devel'.

Still not sure when they are coming though. Will have a better answer for you tomorrow.

Evan

Simple one from me...

As we're now seeing more high-end spinning rods brought into Australia by Daiwa, how long will it be 'til the Battler Limited's arrive?

I'm not sure if it was you I spoke to Evan, but the last time I visited the Daiwa warehouse I asked this question, (I also inquired about the DEVEL 03). At the time you weren't sure when the next shipment will be.

Joe

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G'Day Joe

Battler Limited's are coming, only one model at this stage, the 'Devel'.

Still not sure when they are coming though. Will have a better answer for you tomorrow.

Evan

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Thanks for that Evan.

Joe

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I will give you a run down on what i do to my reels and it may shock you all to know that i own and use Abu, shimano and penn reels  :biggrin2:  and of course Daiwa.

After EVERY (well most of the time) fishing session i give my reels a rinse with the hose on a LIGHT setting. Dont wont to force any crap in. Then most important, wipe the reel off with a clean rag. This stops water sitting on the surface of the reel and then working its way in while you have left it to dry.

I hit my reels every couple of sessions with Inox. Stick the reel on a table and spray away this one you dont have to wipe off let it sit for a couple of hours to soak in.

Get a Daiwa oiler (shameless, shameless plug) or similar needle nose oiling device and oil your handle and line roller bearing every now and then.

Depending on use i will generally service (total strip down and clean) my reels every six months or so, my spin stuff more frequently cause i use them the most. Whether i think they need it or not, i still do them. Preventative maintenance is always the best.

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Thanks for the run down on what you do Evan, much appreciated. :thumbup:

cheers

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G'DayJeff

I will break my answer down into point form to respond to each of your questions.

1) Probably the most debated topic in regards to servicing. Everyone has their own personal preferences. My own preference is to use a thin grease. Not as corosive protectant as the thicker varieties but gives you much more 'smooth' feel.

At Daiwa we use reel grease DSG101. A light thin grease suitable for all reel types (except Certates they have their own special grease). I dont know if DSG101 is a standard grease denomination, best check with a grease specialist, do they even exist???

It comes in a 4kg can from our mother company and i have never seen a grease exactly the same as it. Unfortunately it is not for sale to the public unless your willing to take a 4kg can of it!!!

The next best thing is the Daiwa greaser's very similar viscosity to DSG101 but you need to thin it out with reel oil a bit to be exactly the same. Available for purchase through your retailers.

Another good one is that really thick blue marine bearing grease from Castrol. Thin that stuff out by mixing in some reel oil and you have a very versatile grease.

2) Lanox is that stick like thing, isn't it??? Kinda looks like a UHU glue stick but is grease.

Should be fine Jeff, not as penatrative as oil but should give you a pretty good protective coat.

I wouldnt worry about your line too much, the amount of oil needed on a line roller is pretty small and the line will wear out from general fishing before the oil affects it.

3) I prefer to get the salt off with fresh water first (always a light spray). Then every couple of uses hit it with WD40 or Inox. See previous post for more info.

Hope this helps.

Evan

Hi Evan,

Welcome to the site and thanks for volunteering your knowledge.

1) The question has come up lots of times about which grease to use when servicing reels. When servicing a car the replacement grease and oil is specified. I have never seen this info for a reel.

Can you provide a specification for the original grease used in Daiwa threadline reels?

Also where can we get this grease?

2) Would Lanox be a suitable lubricant for the line roller bearing? The manual states a light machine oil but I would rather not use any petroleum based products

in an area where they could get on the line.

3) After use I have always washed the reel off in fresh water (light spray), dried it and used Lanox on the exposed moving parts. Diawa's recommendation is to spray the reel with WD40 to displace water then polish off the excess. In your experience is washing the reel in fresh water OK?

Cheers,

Jeff

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Unfortunately it is not for sale to the public unless your willing to take a 4kg can of it!!!

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Evan...How much??? :thumbup:

I think if Fishraiders chip in, we can all have our own supply by sharing the tin! :biggrin2:

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Good on you Evan, its good to see experts helping out its and very much appreciated.

I had to laugh when I read your bit about the 'complaints hotline' Been there mate.

I did what you did on another site in regards to my profession (cars) and got absolutely smoked. Geez I copped it and all I offered was advise to help and answer questions. Not much moderation there to help me either. Some people dont know a good thing when there onto it thats for sure.

Luckily here its pretty good and the guys are reasonable and friendly. The mods also step in quick. Still made me laugh - good on ya. :thumbup:

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