Shark Bait Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Hi all. I've got a 445 half cab with safety equip set up for closed waters. I like to fish between pittwater and patonga, and wondering if this section of broken bay is considered to be "open waters". So, in short, what should I consider to be the "Open Waters" boundary in Broken Bay? Does anyone know for sure? Thanks, Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aussie007 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 here u go http://www.maritime.nsw.gov.au/sbh/safety_equipment/safety_equipment.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Bait Posted December 7, 2011 Author Share Posted December 7, 2011 here u go http://www.maritime.nsw.gov.au/sbh/safety_equipment/safety_equipment.html Thanks Gazza. That info tells me I have the right safety equipment for closed waters. What I'd like to find out is where the boundary is for open waters in broken bay. I don't want to venture into "Open Waters" by mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aussie007 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 here u go http://www.maritime.nsw.gov.au/docs/maps/lhawkesr_front.pdf and here are all the other maps http://www.maritime.nsw.gov.au/publications/maps.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryboy Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Answer = its complicated! There is a line from Barrenjoey lighthouse directly across to Box head. Inside that line is 'limited open waters'. This means that In smooth conditions (wave height under .5m crest to trough), its enclosed waters and you are ok. If wave heights are larger, then its open waters once you cross another line that runs from Barrenjoey across to West head. Fryboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryboy Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 My reply assumed you were coming up Pittwater towards Broken Bay. If you are coming from Hawkesbury direction, then the limited open waters starts at a line from Flint and Steel across to Juno point. I'm not sure (and its not clear on the maps) where it starts coming from Brisbane Waters. Fryboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Bait Posted December 7, 2011 Author Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) Thank you both very much. So if I'm not mistaken, with the info you have both given me, if I travel around Juno to fish at Patonga and the swell is larger than half a meter (which it normally is), I need to set up the safety gear in my boat for "Open Waters". Do we all agree? Edited December 7, 2011 by Shark Bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helliconia Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Thank you both very much. So if I'm not mistaken, with the info you have both given me, if I travel around Juno to fish at Patonga and the swell is larger than half a meter (which if normally is), I need to set up the safety gear in my boat for "Open Waters". Do we all agree? I thought it was 2nm from the coast/port? If thats the case then 2nm from Barranjoey or Juno Pt/F&S would be the area for closed water safety equipment. I'm not set up for open water safety (EPIRB and VHF radio etc) and I've been inspected at Lion Island by water police and passed OK. The swell was definitely over .5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aussie007 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Thank you both very much. So if I'm not mistaken, with the info you have both given me, if I travel around Juno to fish at Patonga and the swell is larger than half a meter (which if normally is), I need to set up the safety gear in my boat for "Open Waters". Do we all agree? shoot an email off to maritime on the above link someone will reply quickly with an answer ive asked a question before about a no wash zone and got a reply the same day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locodave Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I had a 4.1 I was told by maritime the Open waters begins once you pass Box Head and Barrenjoey. So fishing in Pittwater and crossing through, you will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark Bait Posted December 7, 2011 Author Share Posted December 7, 2011 Thanks again all. I'll shoot an email off when I get a minute Gazza, and I'll get back to you all with their answer. Cheers, Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryboy Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 @openhooks The 2nm limit is another limit again. This relates to whether you need to carry an EPIRB and marine radio. If you are more than 2nm offshore - you are in open waters with all the open water safety requirements, plus you need to carry those two items. @locodave On the maritime maps, its shown to be 'limited open waters' inside the Barrenjoey-Box Head line. There is a definition of that which is as described earlier. Interesting that the Maritime guys told you that, I guess they probably dont even police this 'limited open waters' thing - unless theyre in a bad mood! @sharkbait yep, that would be my read on it. Let us know what you hear from maritime... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonywardle Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Not many people seem to know about that limited open water in broken bay. Its on the map that I have. Not an issue in my boat,but I can understand that a smaller boater wouldn't want to unknowingly be caught out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonywardle Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 If you ever want to pop offshore for some flathead, let me know. Happy to take you one day Good luck to you too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 12/7/2011 at 4:38 PM, fryboy said: I'm not sure (and its not clear on the maps) where it starts coming from When you can't see the origin of the demarcation lines you often have to get the adjoining map that overlaps on that map location. All the maps are here: https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/search-results.html?q=open+water+map#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=open water map&gsc.page=1 So for the hawkesbury here's : lower hawkesbury to patonga https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/maritime/usingwaterways/maps/boating-maps/9b-lower-hawkesbury-berowra-patonga-mooney.pdf brisbane water terrigal https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/maritime/usingwaterways/maps/boating-maps/8b-brisbane-broken-terrigal.pdf pittwater https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/maritime/usingwaterways/maps/boating-maps/9a-pittwater.pdf Cheers Zoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonywardle Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Maritime pulled me over a couple weeks ago on my way back from the flathead grounds. I was in open water. He was a very nice bloke and seemed to be happy that I was wearing a life jacket and I could answer all of his questions about when everything expired. I'd recently found a sticker where you could write on the dates that everything expires and it was beside my two EPIRBS that he could see. I also showed him that my inflatable life-jacket worked as I was wearing it earlier and the pull tag got stuck in in my rod holder, I didn't notice and then I set it off! I then swapped jackets for the trip back. I've bought a new cylinder and a new life jacket. Another positive experience for me with Maritime. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunc333 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 hi guys i would first like to say 95% of bso's i meet are great blokes and have a job to do and do it well .from closed water to open off memory to the 2 nm mark a builge pump, v sheet ,pdf 1 27meg or vhf must be carried over 2nm + epirb .mate what we say in our fishing club is if you go out of the river, estuary just get the lot (open water safety requiments) as you will really regret it if out there and in trouble one day regards dunc333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredflathead Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 He was a very nice bloke and seemed to be happy that I was wearing a life jacket and I could answer all of his questions about when everything expired. I'd recently found a sticker where you could write on the dates that everything expires and it was beside my two EPIRBS that he could see. Where do you get this sticker, I think this is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berleyguts Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, fredflathead said: He was a very nice bloke and seemed to be happy that I was wearing a life jacket and I could answer all of his questions about when everything expired. I'd recently found a sticker where you could write on the dates that everything expires and it was beside my two EPIRBS that he could see. Where do you get this sticker, I think this is great I’ve got them. I either got them at the 3 letter place where you have effing fun or from Maritime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonywardle Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I'm not 100% sure where I got it from. Maybe a pack from the fishing club.. Probably you can get them at local fishing shops, or Roads and Maritime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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