Rami

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Hi guys.

I have been fishing off a mates boat for a year now. Mainly around Sydney harbor with not much luck. Some times we spend hours with no bites or very tiny fish which we then throw back. Out of desperation I started to search on the web and here I am.

Your name: rami Messiha

Your Location: Sydney ( kellyville)

Fishing technique: anything, I just want to catch some damn fish. I even bought lures to see if I have better luck.

Availability: most Weekends or night

Preferred location: around Sydney

Provide your own gear? Yes

Provide your own boat? No My mate damaged his boat 2 weeks ago so it looks like it would out for a while.

Happy to pay for bait and split petrol with someone.

Do you guys have fishing courses or something?

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Oh yea, my current tactic is a running sinker, swivel, an arm length leader and hook. Stop at a random location and cast. And wait.

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Rami, first of all welcome to fishraider! I think you've found the right place for some advice at the very least.

You can always use the search function and type in whatever you want. Reading through a few posts of the area you fish may help also.

Good luck!

Cheers scratchie mod team

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Thanks for the welcome :). I have been doing that for a while now. I am going on a charter to jervis bay this weekend. Hope to catch some kingies. Honestly, I feel like I need to shadow someone, looking for a mentor as I suck. Bad.

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Nice and honest! But don't think you're alone!

You run pretty much the same set up as me looking at it however I don't just stop and cast... Do you know what the bottom looks like where you'e fishing? We had a classroom session a few weeks back on learning to read a Fish finder/Depth Sounder properly. Catching fish is next to impossible if you're fishing on a spot where there's no fish!

So Once your mates boat is up and running research spots to fish, and follow some other boats... boats follow fish, if 5 people are parked up in a random spot go have a look at what they're looking at.

As for a space on a boat... hope someone replies soon! I have a small waiting list for mine :(

Ed

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How do I work out what the bottom is like? What should I look for? And how does that changes things.

Also I do not mind shore fishing at all. Anything goes at this stage as long as I get a fish.

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The structure on the bottom of the ocean will determine what type of fish will live there, Sandy bottoms hold Flathead and Whiting, where as reef and rocks will hold more bait fish which attract bigger species.

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Question for you if I am getting small bites what should I do? Strike or wait until I feel something is on? Sometime the fish take the lot of the hook, or I strike and nothing is one and no bites after

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Question for you if I am getting small bites what should I do? Strike or wait until I feel something is on? Sometime the fish take the lot of the hook, or I strike and nothing is one and no bites after

I catch as many if not more fish when I the fish hooks itself

It sounds like, from the questions you have asked so far that you might need a list of golden fishing rules.

These are my golden rules for bait fishing( feel free Raiders to add to this) for the bread and butter species of bream, tailor, trevally etc.

1. Fish the peak times a few hours either side of the top and bottom of the tides.

2. Fish around dusk and dawn.

3. Fish on or near structure such as rocks, wharfs and channel markers or edges of weed banks or where there is a significant change in water depth

4. Use Burley, preferably the same as you fish with.

5) Use fresh bait or even better - live bait

5. Stick with a spot until the burley has had time to work.

6. Fish as light as possible.

7. Use as small a hook as is practical.

8. Learn to tie good knots.

If you follow these rules you will increase your catch.

The next step is to learn the specific tactics for target species... but get the basics right first.

Cheers

Jim

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Thanks mate. I will study this and see what else I need to know. I am not sure I understand the theory behind burly. Do you burly only from a boat? And should you cast exactly where you are burlying? Or it's something to attract fish to the general area?

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Rami, burley will move where the current takes it whether you are in a boat or land based. Naturally you need to fish in the "burley trail". The advice which Fragmeister (Jim) has given is sound advice. Only thing I would add is don't give up and spend as much time as possible fishing the tides. Time spent = results. We all started somewhere mate...stay positive. Neil.

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Thanks Neil. I will start burlying. Put it to you this way. It's been a year. But I haven't been going every week.

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Thanks mate. I will study this and see what else I need to know. I am not sure I understand the theory behind burly. Do you burly only from a boat? And should you cast exactly where you are burlying? Or it's something to attract fish to the general area?

You can burley from anywhere but as Big Neil says you have to fish in the burley trail and in some cases this is harder than others. If you are burying and not getting fish but the bloke 30 meters away is its probably because he is fishing in your trail.

This is why unweighted baits work so well because they sink naturally into the burley trail and the fish take it for granted that its just another free bit of food. If you are fishing with pilchards I think its best to burley with pilchards because I have seen fish ignore bait because they were so focussed on the smell and taste of the burley. Sometime of course everything is right and it doesn't matter what you fish or burley with.

Its always best to go to a known fish producing spot and these are not hard to find on this site or elsewhere. Once there start the burley process by mashing up some pilchards for example (although could be bread or old prawns or a raft of other things) and toss a small handful out of the end of the wharf or the boat or whatever and pay attention to where it goes in the water. Sometimes an oil slick on the surface from the burley will tell you where it is going long after it has sunk.

Keep this process going with just small amounts ( perhaps a matchbox full or so) every five minutes to keep the fish around but not over feed them

You may find that the smaller fish find it first but the larger ones will come out of the deeper water after a while... They are more cautious thats why they are bigger! You should find that fishing around dawn and dusk the bigger fish are more active and the smaller fish are in hiding.

During this burleing process ideally, you toss an unweighted bait a little further past where you tossed in the burley ( because it will sink faster it its bigger and has a hook in it). If all goes well the fish will take this with real intent and hookups will be common place.

Give it time, I can't recall a day when I didn't catch fish if I stuck to the plan although usually 30 minutes at peak fishing times is adequate.

This is a general burley plan so if you are targeting specific fish there could be a very different plan or even no burley at all. I don't burley for flathead for example but rather drift over sandflats. When you burley for Luderick you usually use a mixture of sand and finely chopped weed. At this stage though I think the plan is to get you into easier targets so you can take home a feed.

Let me know when the boat is back on the water and I will PM you a ideal Sydney Harbour Boat spot and the right time and tide to fish it.

If you don't catch a feed of fish there then I will take you out in my boat and make sure you do!

Cheers

Jim

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That is a generous offer Jim, thanks. Looks like the boat will be out until mid jan. Will try this in a couple of weeks

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I am going on a charter next week. Hope it turn out well

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Question, when I cast from the rocks for example I throw the line 10 - 20 meters inwards. How do I get the burly that far in, or does the big fish come out to shore?

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Or should I just throw the burly to where I am casting?

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From the rocks... get a mesh bag like an onion bag and fill it with fish carcas - you can get them from a fish market for like $1.50 a frame. Tie it to the rocks and let the waves hit it, this will bring fish to where the waves are taking the smell.

Other things you can do is mash up a few pillies in a bucket, add in a loaf of bread thats been blended into a fine crumb, add water until its moldable... stir it up, add things like corn kernels and tuna oil and then mold it into baseball sized balls. pack them hard and bowl them out to where you're fishing. repeat every 20 mins with 2 balls. fish the area and to which ever way the tides moving next to it.

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Thanks mate. Will do. Thinking of trying this out at Wiseman this evening. I am assuming the above still apply?

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Same applies for any type of fishing really... (apart from fly).

Think of it like this... If you have one piece of smelly bait on your hook in an area the size of a soccer field, once one fish finds it and eats it there is no more bait for it to eat. Where as if there is lots of smelly bait in the area more fish will come to eat it, the more fish there will attract even more and then predator species then move in to eat the fish that are eating the bait.

Moral of the story - Burley hard and be patient... where ever you fish!

When i fish i have 2 burley pots on my boat one on the surface and one tied to the anchor, this lets out a consistent smell and stream of particles that attract fish to my boat... then all you need to do is hook them and thats the hard part.

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Hmm, any good areas in wisemans?

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Looks like today is not it. Will see about tomorrow.

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Just been to wiseman. Zippity zip. Better luck next time b

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Haven't been able to go out much with all the rain. Went to bobin head a couple of nights ago for a few small ones which went back. iceman have been kind enough to take me out and show me the ropes, got a few fish then :).

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