Daiwa Generation Black advice needed

[undy]

Hi Raiders,

I am looking at purchasing a Generation Black rod and would greatly appreciate the advice of anyone who is familiar with the models listed below.

One of the large leisure retailers is having a sale on these at the moment but they only have the following 2 or 3 piece models remaining (the other models are 1 piece which do not suit me).

It seems to me that the Blackjack is almost the 3 piece equivalent of the Itchy Twitchy, and the Deep Striker is the 3 piece version of the Wicked Weasel.

PINSTER 642LFS Spin 193cm 2pc Light Fast 1–10g 2–5kg

BLACKJACK 703LFS Spin 213cm 3pc Light Fast 1–5g 2–4kg

DEEP STRIKER 703MLFS Spin 213cm 3pc Medium Light Fast 2–14g 2–5kg

I fish with hardbodies (Atomic hardz – 4g, Sebile Flat Shad – 2g, TT blades – 1/8oz, Sugapen – 4.3g, Sammy - 5.8g, NW Pencil – 3.8g).

I also do some bait fishing with nippers, prawns etc. and hopefully one day will graduate to some plastics fishing.

Target is estuary bream, whiting and flathead with light braid mainline (2-8lb).

I fish mainly landbased and also from a kayak. Will occasionally cast around boats and moorings so would like enough grunt to pull any wily bream out of structure.

If I’m lucky enough to get onto some reasonably sized tailor, rat kings or soapies - I'd like to have enough guts in the rod to stand some chance.

I've tried a few different rods (e.g. 6’6” 2-4kg Pflueger Trion, 7’6” 2-4kg Shimano MF Raider II Finesse Bream) and have always had trouble getting any distance when casting hardbodies weighing around 1.5g to 4g (I know it could be technique or line or reel but I’m hoping the stiffer Gen Black blanks might make a difference).

Interested in your thoughts which if any of the gen black models above would suit my needs. The ability to flick light lures a good distance is an important factor.

Cheers,

undy

[Benji-martin]

Hey mate,

I love the generation black rods. I have four of them. My favourite is the pinster. I mainly use plastics and I get plenty of distance casting little plastics off the shore.

Martin

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[Jewhunter]

Love my Pinster.

Great out of a yak & has the perfect action for walking surface lures.

It also allows blades to shimmy without too much of a lift.

Not sure about throwing small hardbodies though. I rarely use them anymore.

[nickb111]

Hey mate, hardbodies of that size are pretty difficult to cast for distance, unless you pick a sinking model.

[bluefin]

The Black Jack is quite specialised. For light lures. Would be perfect for the weights your throwing now. Is the deep striker too close to what you have alteady?

[Cargo05]

I can't comment on the models you have listed, but I have an Itchy Twitchy and a Wild Weasel, (both one piece), and like them a lot. The only downside is the Fuji Alconite Guides and quite small. When tying braid to leader any knot other than the FG tend to catch slightly when casting.

[undy]

Hi guys - thanks for your feedback.

Hey mate,

I love the generation black rods. I have four of them. My favourite is the pinster. I mainly use plastics and I get plenty of distance casting little plastics off the shore.

Martin


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Thanks Martin - your obviously a big fan! Which other models do you have and how do they go with casting light hardbodies? What weight jigheads do you cast with the Pinster?

Love my Pinster.

Great out of a yak & has the perfect action for walking surface lures.

It also allows blades to shimmy without too much of a lift.

Not sure about throwing small hardbodies though. I rarely use them anymore.

Thanks Jewhunter - good to know the Pinster is good for the blades and walking the surface lures.

Hey mate, hardbodies of that size are pretty difficult to cast for distance, unless you pick a sinking model.

Hey Nick - yeah I certainly agree. It seems like they throw them miles on those fishing shows and so easily too

I'm not sure how far I should be able to get them out, but I reckon I'm only casting them about 15 metres on average. No doubt the technique could do with some work too.

The Black Jack is quite specialised. For light lures. Would be perfect for the weights your throwing now. Is the deep striker too close to what you have alteady?

Hi bluefin, do you mean the Deep Striker being similar to the Raider? I'm not sure. I find the Raider is not great for flicking the light lures. I find it a bit too heavy for light luring and get tired pretty quickly. The Trion is definitely lighter and more comfortable for a couple of hours of casting.

If the Deep Striker is similar to the Wicked Weasel, I'm interested in how the Wicked Weasel goes with the lighter lures. It would seem to be a good all rounder that can also handle the heavier species.

[undy]

I can't comment on the models you have listed, but I have an Itchy Twitchy and a Wild Weasel, (both one piece), and like them a lot. The only downside is the Fuji Alconite Guides and quite small. When tying braid to leader any knot other than the FG tend to catch slightly when casting.

Hi Cargo, damned if I can tie an FG! Slim beauty is what I normally use. Interested how you find the Itchy Twitchy and Wild Weasel at casting light lures similar to the ones I've listed. How do they cope when you catch some of the larger species?

[bluefin]

Undy, have a look at my post today titled. A beautiful morning. I was using 5 lb fins 40G 16 lb leader, FG knot ,a must due to small runners. a Daiwa 1500 Capricorn and a Wild Weasel. It is 6'10"long and fairly stiff. Even though the Deep Striker is similar in casting weight and line weight, it is longer, probably softer in the tip and heavier. Have a look at one before you buy. I don't know how it throws light lures as it is my " heavy outfit " with the 16 lb leader. So far I have only used 10 and 11 gram lures. For light lures and unweighted SP's I have a 1000 ci4+ Stradic, 8 lb Sunline super PE braid and a Shimano TK3G, 732, 1 to 9 gram 2 to 5 kg 7'2". It will cast the 11 gram lures, but bends too much each time you lift the lure off the bottom or twitch it. lots of lost energy! But casting distance with it depends on the leader weight. 4lb casts a mile, but I have lost so many lures to Flathead. I need 16 lb. But it wont cast very far! My solution is 8lb with a 10",16lb "bite leader" tied on the end. Works perfectly.

Regards Howard.

[Adsy91]

Hi Cargo, damned if I can tie an FG! Slim beauty is what I normally use. Interested how you find the Itchy Twitchy and Wild Weasel at casting light lures similar to the ones I've listed. How do they cope when you catch some of the larger species?

Hey mate,

I'm a big fan of itchy twitchy's all my rods are one piece but I have used the 2 piece model on frigate mackeral, bonito, big salmon and had no worries but my main use was flicking micro lures (1-4gram) for bream, whiting, bass and Estuary perch. I never had a problem at all with the set up and find the action on these rods fantastic. I eventually snapped the tip of the rod in an excited moment by holding my rod almost vertical and dropping a fish without the bail arm open...there's my one piece of advice- watch your angles when landing fish and you will love this rod. They are just releasing the gen black 2 models this season so you should see those prices stay low hopefully

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[Adsy91]

Oh and I always used a double uni knot and yes the guides are small and sometimes catch but I avoided this by tying slightly shorter leaders so that when casting the knot was already free from the guides.

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[Cargo05]

G'day Undy

The FG knot takes a bit of practice, and I find I take a couple of goes to get it right, when using fine leader material, if I haven’t tied it for some time. I like to replace the leader in the shed, rather than in the boat so as not to lose fishing time.

I only use the Itchy Twitchy and a Wild Weasel for SP or small hard bodies, fishing mainly for bream and flathead. Biggest flattie to date has only been 54cm and was no trouble at all. I use 4 rods in the boat, all rigged differently to take advantage of the conditions/situation. The other rods are Pflueger Trion, but I like the Gen Blacks much better.

[Ledge]

Hi Raiders.

Reviving this post as I need some help deciding on a rod to cast light lures 3g-8g.

Will match to my 2500 stradic.

It's between:

- Pinster II 642LFS (193cm, 1-10g, 2-5kg)

- Itchy Twitchy 6102LFS (208cm, 1-5g, 1.5-3kg)

- Scratchy 702LFS (213cm, 1-5g, 1.5-3kg)

Does anyone have experience with these rods? I like the sound of the Pinster but concerned it won't get enough distance on the casts so that's why I'm considering the others... But will they be able to handle the 7g-8g lures?

Thanks for your adv,ice!

Ledge

[xerotao]

I doubt there would be much difference in casting distance with a slight shorter rod

[brett01]

On 5/27/2016 at 7:23 PM, Adsy91 said:

Hey mate,

I'm a big fan of itchy twitchy's all my rods are one piece but I have used the 2 piece model on frigate mackeral, bonito, big salmon and had no worries but my main use was flicking micro lures (1-4gram) for bream, whiting, bass and Estuary perch. I never had a problem at all with the set up and find the action on these rods fantastic. I eventually snapped the tip of the rod in an excited moment by holding my rod almost vertical and dropping a fish without the bail arm open...there's my one piece of advice- watch your angles when landing fish and you will love this rod. They are just releasing the gen black 2 models this season so you should see those prices stay low hopefully

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2 hours ago, Ledge said:

Hi Raiders.

Reviving this post as I need some help deciding on a rod to cast light lures 3g-8g.

Will match to my 2500 stradic.

It's between:

- Pinster II 642LFS (193cm, 1-10g, 2-5kg)

- Itchy Twitchy 6102LFS (208cm, 1-5g, 1.5-3kg)

- Scratchy 702LFS (213cm, 1-5g, 1.5-3kg)

Does anyone have experience with these rods? I like the sound of the Pinster but concerned it won't get enough distance on the casts so that's why I'm considering the others... But will they be able to handle the 7g-8g lures?

Thanks for your adv,ice!

Ledge

Itchy twitchy wont like the 8g lures. i dont throw over 6g with it but it will throw a 3-4g hardbody a mile you will be so surprised. Your catch rate will go up if you fish lighter, smaller and you will hook decent fish on tiny lures as well as the smaller stuff and if your into catch and release as i am, small fish on light gear=good times (not waiting for a bite finally - you will go out and bend your rod). The GB rods all fight fish really well, bagged near 40cm bream with the Itchy Twitchy 2 fine

[Ledge]

Thanks for your input mate. Leaning towards the itchy twitchy II.. It’s just so much lighter than anything I’ve used before- my lightest combo to date has a cast weight of 7-21g as I mostly do rock fishing. Cheers.