amkr Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 It shifts a stack of water for a small lure. There seems to be 2 trains of thought on this - one is that it makes more 'noise' and attracts more attention. The other is that it moves too much and the marlin puts it in the too hard basket (additionally, more erratic movements give less hookups apparently). Who knows. Are the heads weighted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad K Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Would anyone know of a place in Sydney or Newcastle that sells lathes/mini lathes. ps-Cheers for that amkr I'm going to try & get down to Barnes for the mold,resin etc end of this week Carbatec in Auburn has some sweet little lathes. Pretty sure they sell different types of resins as well. Not a cheap store, but worth a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) There seems to be 2 trains of thought on this - one is that it makes more 'noise' and attracts more attention. The other is that it moves too much and the marlin puts it in the too hard basket (additionally, more erratic movements give less hookups apparently). Who knows. Are the heads weighted? I reckon there's a sound or frequency or just the wiggle that some lures have and most don't. The same lures get bit again and again regardless of the colours or positions or if they are aggressive or lazy.I only ever have 1 unproven lure in the water against a pretty decent spread. So if I have any success I'm claiming it. The moth pictured has weight but the original didn't, it will be interesting to see if it changes much, I'm guessing not. The bigger 2 are keel weighted Edit spelling Edited September 12, 2016 by stevefish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjts Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 Stevfish-Did you let the resin set in a pressurized container etc (to avoid air bubbles) or in the open. ps-cheers BradK I'll check Carbatec out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Nah, not that professional. Pour your resin into a cup, let it sit for a bit to allow the bubbles to come out, mix carefully trying not to introduce to much air. Some of the fast setting stuff is a bit problematic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VViCKiD Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Nice post guys. I'm very interested in this thread. Just wondering if u had to spray anything on the original lures to stop them sticking to the pinkysil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VViCKiD Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 thanks stevefish. did u have to cut the mold to retrieve the master lures or were u able to just pull them out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amkr Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The moulds are usually flexible enough to pull them out. - lot of people make 2 piece moulds though so you seperate them up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjts Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Only need spray when making 2 piece molds Edited October 20, 2016 by rjts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I cut a quarter at the skirt neck, I've found if I cut to much the mold can distort when you tape it up. Turn your phone upside down for a better view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjts Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) I only cut the length of the skirt saddles(photo angles misleading),but I've met blokes that cut the whole way down to the nose.I couldn't get tape to hold so a lightly tensioned band etc has been working well so far.Have been having a lot of trial & error with inserts,mainly cutting & smoothing off brass tube for jets etc. Edited October 20, 2016 by rjts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Do you use some kind of chafe tube inside the brass? I've given up on jets, too much mucking around, and here's my theory, the only thing going through those holes is water, especially on a slant or bullet. The air is held behind the head so pushing more water through will reduce the frontal area and action and reduce the smoke. For a cup face you can make an argument They look cool but. Edited October 20, 2016 by stevefish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VViCKiD Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Thanks for the response guys! A great help! Will post up some pics once I get mine made. Planning to use bonito, pillie and dollie skin for the inserts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjts Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) No I don't but I'm still far from having it perfected so I may have to.I've ordered a Dremel tool which I've been told will make it a lot easier.All the saws,grinders & drill bits various Hardware,Model shops,engineering stores etc have told me will do the job have failed,so if the dremel doesn't work I'm going to give up on jetted lures to. I reckon all they seem to do is liven the skirt up & lighten the pull on flat faces a bit,but if the holes are less than 5-6mm they do nothing. I was hoping to make some slightly lighter keel weighted ones beause the yanks/Hawaiians either make them full of lead or none at all(1stpic) , The jetted plunger in the 2nd pic is keel weighted,nylon holes & doesn't need as much speed as the other jet heads. Edited October 20, 2016 by rjts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amkr Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Thanks for the response guys! A great help! Will post up some pics once I get mine made. Planning to use bonito, pillie and dollie skin for the inserts Theres a guy in the states that does bonito skin on the inserts, it looks great - I reckon the dollies would look unreal though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Looking the goods there! I found that the brass would put a slight bit of damage on the leader at the front of the head over a days trolling which concerned me enough to change to soft nylon/plastic leader tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VViCKiD Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Theres a guy in the states that does bonito skin on the inserts, it looks great - I reckon the dollies would look unreal though! Yeh that's where I got the idea. I've recently bought about $600 worth of lures from the states. Planning to test them all out this season and replicate winners. Looking the goods there! I found that the brass would put a slight bit of damage on the leader at the front of the head over a days trolling which concerned me enough to change to soft nylon/plastic leader tube. Did you dremel down the brass steve ? I saw this youtube video on the finishing process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 It was countersunk with a drill bit, but still wore the leader. As cool as sexy heads are for mine the shape is what wins or loses, exhibit A moldcraft. Just make a few and give them a runand see what happens, if there was a proven formula we'd all have 10 lures not err, as many as we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VViCKiD Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Hi guys, just wondering where ur getting this plastic leader tube from? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Bunnings you will find many things in many places on your lure making quests. Craft shops/online will find you lots. Edited October 30, 2016 by stevefish More details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VViCKiD Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 ThanKs Steve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VViCKiD Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Another question, how r u guys making the inserts? Is it from lead ? Or did u cast it from resin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjts Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 On 1/11/2016 at 10:49 PM, VViCKiD said: Another question, how r u guys making the inserts? Is it from lead ? Or did u cast it from resin? Both,-heat res rtv silicone(sim to ultra copper you use for engine gaskets) for lead mold.Adding a piece of lead the thickness of a pen etc to the lower 1/2 of insert (like JYee does in Apollo's etc) works great.So does adding uv/lumo pearl powder like this Magoo insert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VViCKiD Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Thanks rjts. I'm thinking of adding a few small fishing sinkers or nails to the lower half of the insert. That should act as a keel Edited November 5, 2016 by VViCKiD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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