Ledge Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Hey Raiders. I'd like to hear your experience with how many bites you get using different leader materials. When I first got into fishing, I switched to fluoro after about a year of fishing with mono, and ended up getting a lot more fish. But that could also be due to the fact I was no longer a newbie. Getting more fish was good, but I also noticed that with fluoro the line was breaking more easily and it didn't tie as well. I know the companies claim that fluoro is tougher, but I find that it breaks more easily than quality mono and that tailor and other toothies bite through it more easily. And I've tried 4-5 different brands. So, I'd like to know if you Raiders have found that you get more bites using fluoro? Or do you think that mono gets just as many bites? Cos I'd prefer to use mono if it won't cost me bites. Thanks team. Ledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARC H Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I use fluro and find it helps a lot more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campr Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I prefer fluro leaders but just use Berkley Vanish. Its more economical , ties well and to me is a lot more abrasion resistant than mono. I mostly use 8lb trace for general light fishhing for bream squidding etc but thinking of trying 6lb. I specialise in chasing big flathead on 1kg line and because of the extended fight times I often use 17lb Vanish leaders but again am thinking of going lighter. I have caught heaps of flatties over 4kg this way with 2 over 5.6kg and 97mm but cant crack that meterey. Never had any issues you mentioned with knots using fluro. I still use mono traces in bigger sizes for jewies, kingies etc but would use fluro if it wasn't for cost of setting up multiple heavy trace sizes. Don't forget fluro leaders also have advantage or disadvantage of sinking faster than mono depending on what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regan Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 i use fluro. i havnt had any problem about the line breaking or knot strenght Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest123456789 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Fluro is a scam. Mono. Go off diameter not breaking strain, this is part of the scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvarking Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I have pretty much always used el cheapo jarvis walker mono as leader, but just because I never really knew there were any other options. When I was young my dad would always equip me with jarvis walker gear. I now realise it's because I had the amazing ability to destroy everything I touched instantly and he didn't trust me with his fancy gear, but I had always assumed it's because jarvis walker was the premier fishing brand. So until I actually started doing research I thought jarvis walker was the best you could buy. Anyway, now that I know that not to be the case, I want to do an experiment next time I go fishing. I'll put out 2 identical lines, but with one equipped with 10lb jarvis walker mono ($6 for 300m), and the other with 10lb seaguar blue label flourocarbon leader ($20 for 50m). I'm curious to see how it goes, and I'll probably do a thread about it (assuming it is not going to be outshone by a thread about my first jewfish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savit Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Why not try also mono leader instead of mono line as your leader? it's way cheaper than fluoro leader, softer than mono line or fluoro leader and easier to make knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest123456789 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 02/09/2017 at 7:10 PM, swordfisherman said: Fluro sinks whilst mono is more buoyant That's true and useful for luderick fishing. Though a small, inexpensive sinker or split shot or slightly heavier jig head or lure has always worked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledge Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Thanks for the replies, all. I'm more interested in whether fish are more likely to bite using fluoro than mono, as I already feel that mono leader material performs better than fluoro in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledge Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 On 02/09/2017 at 6:21 PM, Aardvarking said: I have pretty much always used el cheapo jarvis walker mono as leader, but just because I never really knew there were any other options. When I was young my dad would always equip me with jarvis walker gear. I now realise it's because I had the amazing ability to destroy everything I touched instantly and he didn't trust me with his fancy gear, but I had always assumed it's because jarvis walker was the premier fishing brand. So until I actually started doing research I thought jarvis walker was the best you could buy. Anyway, now that I know that not to be the case, I want to do an experiment next time I go fishing. I'll put out 2 identical lines, but with one equipped with 10lb jarvis walker mono ($6 for 300m), and the other with 10lb seaguar blue label flourocarbon leader ($20 for 50m). I'm curious to see how it goes, and I'll probably do a thread about it (assuming it is not going to be outshone by a thread about my first jewfish) I'll be interested to know the outcome of your test. Keep me in the loop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I've experimented with rigs of mono and different fluro side by side in my boat and actually found mamoi diamond clear mono outfished all the fluro lines I tested. I also took a sample of different mono lines to a depth of 34m on scuba to see if they looked any different to the human eye, no difference. Ive also searched for any true scientific study on fluro in relationship to fish eyesight and only found manufacturers claims. The fact fluro doesn't knot as strongly as mono also means you need to often use heavier fluro than you would mono. Mono also sinks, simply drop a piece in the sink at home to see for yourself. If you feel more confident using line that costs $50 for 50m than line that costs $50 for 1000m then keep going, tackle stores will love you for it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) Sorry if my above comment came over very anti fluro. I did recently try Shimano new revelutionary fluro ocea that they claim to be the greatest on offer ( check out their YouTube video ). My findings were it snapped xtremely easy at the knot compared to other mono of the same strength 16lb. I did find an interesting array of special YouTube knots specially for fluro. I did try the fluro on our last family soft plastic trip where I was the only one onboard not to catch fish but this could just be that my kids simply outfish me but the fact they caught 7 snapper to my 1 rock cod seemed more than chance. They were also using 20lb mono which is far bulkier and far more forgiving when that big snapper rubs its face all over the bottom. Edited September 7, 2017 by JonD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvarking Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ledge said: I'll be interested to know the outcome of your test. Keep me in the loop! It probably won't be for a few weeks until I get to go out in the kayak again, but when I get the opportunity to do my experiment I'll probably post a thread about it. Edited September 7, 2017 by Aardvarking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledge Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 17 hours ago, JonD said: I've experimented with rigs of mono and different fluro side by side in my boat and actually found mamoi diamond clear mono outfished all the fluro lines I tested. I also took a sample of different mono lines to a depth of 34m on scuba to see if they looked any different to the human eye, no difference. Ive also searched for any true scientific study on fluro in relationship to fish eyesight and only found manufacturers claims. The fact fluro doesn't knot as strongly as mono also means you need to often use heavier fluro than you would mono. Mono also sinks, simply drop a piece in the sink at home to see for yourself. If you feel more confident using line that costs $50 for 50m than line that costs $50 for 1000m then keep going, tackle stores will love you for it!!!! Thanks for an informative post JonD. It sounds like you've done the research. And you certainly seem to get the results! Seems you've found mono leaders to get as many or more bites than fluoro. You're telling me what I was hoping to hear, as I much prefer the performance of mono leaders in every other aspect. So you use Momoi standard mono line as leader material? Not even Momoi leader? In terms of knot strength and abrasion resistance I've found the Jarvis Walker Hercules mono leader from Kmart to be a standout. So if you reckon different mono lines look the same underwater, I might just stick with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGG DADDA TREVS Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 i reckon that fluoro gets a few more bites than mono and it also last a little longer. Personally i just use sunline and other jdm leaders they use for iso fishing, normally around the 6-12 pound range depending on the water clarity. As campr said with flatties i can get away with using 8lb for flatties, just make sure the flatties don't eat the lure too far down and you should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellzy94 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I find that regardless of what type of leader you're using, you get more bites on smaller diameter line. That being said, I can't fault Berkley Vanish at all, best leader I've ever used. Cheers, Wellzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) Totally agree on lighter line gets more bite especially when fish get picky. I used to see so many people in the fishing club I was in using 50-60 lb leaders snapper fishing and using big snapper leads, just because someone decided to call a huge lump of lead a snapper lead it doesn't mean they help catch snapper. These people rarely caught more than he odd morwong, they also shunned my light gear claiming I would loose fish. Our best snapper went around 9kg on a 10lb Berkeley mono trace, the guy who's boat I was on was fishing two 100lb hand lines and two rods with what looked like 80lb mono. That guy had all his rods in the water before my daughter flicked one unweighted pilchard into the mess of lines in the water. The only reason I use mamoi diamond ( general line not leader line ) is because it comes in such big spools. The line does seem to be mismatched to its class rating as the 50lb I use on kings breaks at 82lb and the 20lb breaks at 38lb. The 20lb has managed plenty of beach Jews and gummy sharks, even holds much bigger fish using circle hooks in the boat. The 20lb has had no problems getting sharks 30-50kg to the boat. The light line I use on snapper has been from many brands but I would like another bulk spool of 10lb mamoi clear diamond if I can find a seller in this country. It's hard to know how good line really is when it's in a heavier class because we rarely push it to its limits. With light line of 10-15lb locking up on a good fish soon shows any flaws in the line or knot strength. The big one was released Edited September 8, 2017 by JonD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvarking Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I am pretty much certain about the fact that you catch more fish with lighter line. I was fishing off the shore at lake Illawarra a little while ago on the last day of school holidays, so half of Wollongong was there as well. I was getting fish after fish, but noticed that no one else was getting anything. It didn't make any sense to me, because everyone was using pretty much the same bait as me, they were in the same spot, casting out roughly the same distance. It occurred to me that I was running 8lb braid with a 4lb mono leader, while everyone else was using these 20lb combos they clearly bought from Kmart the day before. That and the enormous sinkers they were using was the only difference, but it was also the difference between catching tons of bream and flathead and catching nothing all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam bros Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I find that I do get more bites with fluoro compared to mono. But I would still rather use mono sometimes because it has better knot strength and I find it easier to make knots. Fluoro is almost invisible under water and that helps with finicky fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam bros Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 On 01/09/2017 at 8:34 PM, campr said: I specialise in chasing big flathead on 1kg line and because of the extended fight times I often use 17lb Vanish leaders but again am thinking of going lighter. So you use 1kg main line but about 8kg leader??? Seems like a very big jump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho fisho Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) I would recommend just using braid then tie the fg to mono. Mono leaders out perform fluro by a mile why pay more when you can get mono which is basically the same but better breaking strength for the diameter and better in knots which is very important. Edited September 8, 2017 by Psycho fisho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest123456789 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Fluro does catch a whole lot more. Fisherman that is. I've wasted lots of money before I twigged what was happening. The guys that make and sell this tuff must sit back and laugh at our stupidity sometimes. The best in recent memory was a show that had a tackle fishing team educating viewers about how to troll for snapper using $30 lures connected to 6lbs fluro. Light fluro, they argued, was essential to hit the required depths. ? Guess the guy with some burly on a handreel and a bit of bait isn't profitable enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewhunter Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I use flouro, & catch more fish with it. Nitlon is good, Yo Zuri HD Hard pink is my fave. Mono has it's place in certain situations, e.g when you need more stretch & definitely in heavier line classes. I'm not sure I've seen any bream or bass comp winning fisherman using mono leader, they seem to be all using flouro. They must all be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Jewhunter said: I use flouro, & catch more fish with it. Nitlon is good, Yo Zuri HD Hard pink is my fave. Mono has it's place in certain situations, e.g when you need more stretch & definitely in heavier line classes. I'm not sure I've seen any bream or bass comp winning fisherman using mono leader, they seem to be all using flouro. They must all be wrong! I fish with someone sponsored by tackle world, also Humingbird, Ian Miller rods, as well as being a tournament angler, I've yet to see him use fluro in my boat. I've never asked if he uses it in comps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaxland Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Jewhunter said: I use flouro, & catch more fish with it. Nitlon is good, Yo Zuri HD Hard pink is my fave. Mono has it's place in certain situations, e.g when you need more stretch & definitely in heavier line classes. I'm not sure I've seen any bream or bass comp winning fisherman using mono leader, they seem to be all using flouro. They must all be wrong! I see a lot of pros in all sports using sponsors product so they are still using the cheapest available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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