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Just one heads up. After lots of casting with my Snapper Raider rod I can get a slow separation between the two halves. If I don't catch it in time the top half of the rod flies off. Might be just my rod - this probably won't happen to you. My solution was to rub the top part of the lower half with a bit of candle wax to just increase the friction lock just that little bit more. In your case after lots of casting just check the two halves are still together tightly. Unlikely but possible with any two piece rod.

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Hi Will,

For my smaller reels I top shot (150 yards/metres of braid with mono backing to make up the difference) but with both my Stradic 4000 reels I went braid all the way. On older one I have about 300m of 15lb braid and newer model has about 270m of 15lb braid. For the sake of saving $20 or $30 on the line cost I didn't want to hook the fish of a lifetime then worry about the backing and joiner knot as it is flying off the spool. Just something to consider. First meter of line on both reels is mono to ensure it locks in to the spool. Other option is to stick it down.

Regards,

Derek

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23 hours ago, DerekD said:

Mind??? Not at all. I've recommended the Snapper Raider and the smaller Bream Finesse to a number of people over the years and coincidently today. If I damaged mine I'd probably buy another. It is an excellent combination. If you ever get down to the lower North shore I'd be happy to show you how effectively it can be used for a variety of lures. With the schools of kingfish due to arrive in numbers in Sydney over the next two months your timing is excellent.

Yes I do have some recommendations. My go to for kings are the 6 and 9 inch (pink or white) slapstix used with a TT bullet head jig head and XH hook. 20 and 30gm halco twisties. Phatt blatz flutter jigs. Size 3 squid jigs. More later. We also do well send down stripped squid pieces unweighted through the water column. I like either a 5/0 mustad light gauge circle hook or a Gamakatsu 5/0 or 6/0 circle hook.

Thanks for all the info Derek!n

this combo is also suitable for catching flatties right?

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14 hours ago, DerekD said:

Hi Will,

For my smaller reels I top shot (150 yards/metres of braid with mono backing to make up the difference) but with both my Stradic 4000 reels I went braid all the way. On older one I have about 300m of 15lb braid and newer model has about 270m of 15lb braid. For the sake of saving $20 or $30 on the line cost I didn't want to hook the fish of a lifetime then worry about the backing and joiner knot as it is flying off the spool. Just something to consider. First meter of line on both reels is mono to ensure it locks in to the spool. Other option is to stick it down.

Regards,

Derek

Thanks for all the info Derek!

This combo is also suitable for flatties right?

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It will be fine but personally I chase most of my flathead on my bream finesse. Was introducing a father and son to soft plastics on Sunday and the son picked up a nice 60cm flattie on a 2-4kg rod with 4lb braid. Your rod will kill it but it will be a challenge fishing the ultralight lures.

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6 minutes ago, DerekD said:

It will be fine but personally I chase most of my flathead on my bream finesse. Was introducing a father and son to soft plastics on Sunday and the son picked up a nice 60cm flattie on a 2-4kg rod with 4lb braid. Your rod will kill it but it will be a challenge fishing the ultralight lures.

Ok thanks!

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Palms shore gun 10ft 20-70 gram it’s a “shorejigging” rod but I use it for my lighter spinning outfit absolutely launches metals a mile, I found that the 40-50gram is the sweet spot but handles heavier lures fine,  works excellent for stickbaiting  and your larger soft plastics. 

Its paired too a 4000 sized Daiwa reel very well balanced and can spin with it most of the day it’s a pleasure to use! 

 

 

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A 10ft ugly stick with ABC 10000cl

A 7ft 2-4kg fast taper flick stick with 4/0 eggbeater

A JS9102 Live Baiting Rod and TLD25

A 12ft gaff

These rods and reels are old but the new evolution of similar specs will serve any keen LBG / Rockhopper very well.

I still have this kit and it doesn’t get out fished or fail under stress. Buy once cry once and check out what everyone else is using on the stones. Fishos love to talk about their gear or what they would prefer to own.

Good luck

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11 hours ago, Waza said:

A 10ft ugly stick with ABC 10000cl

A 7ft 2-4kg fast taper flick stick with 4/0 eggbeater

A JS9102 Live Baiting Rod and TLD25

A 12ft gaff

These rods and reels are old but the new evolution of similar specs will serve any keen LBG / Rockhopper very well.

I still have this kit and it doesn’t get out fished or fail under stress. Buy once cry once and check out what everyone else is using on the stones. Fishos love to talk about their gear or what they would prefer to own.

Good luck

Waza- well said- i just think recommending 7ft rods for ocean rockfishing is asking for trouble-short rods have their place but wont work in many places- nor will light braid.

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A lot of you guys are saying 7ft isn’t great for the rocks. Anyone have any suggestions to match with the Shimano Stradic 4000? Going to use off the rocks and throw metal lures to catch kings. (Price range 100-200) 

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Frankly-no- a 7ft rod is ok for some places but not for a hell of a lot more. First of all lets go back to basics- how old are you/what is your physical size? Where are you planning on fishing? What size lures are you going to throw-When i targeted kings of the rocks my goto lure was a 85gm RAider in white- there used to be a lure called a Juro Shiner- and the 85gm white shiner outfished every other lure i used for kings of the rocks. Using a 10ft FSU 4120 with a Shimano Speedmaster overhead- i could cast all day at 80% effort and those 85gm lures would drop in the water 90-100m out every cast- that outfit caught kings to 10kgs , longtails to 15kgs and about a million bonito- 25lb mono was the goto line and i never bother with leaders- just check the line every now and then. The last couple of times i spun the rocks for a bit of fun i used a 10 ft MAgspin with a 5000 size reel and 20lb braid- but would i be confident if a king over 4kgs climbed on- nope-not enough low down grunt in the blank- and besides its really only good for 40gm lures max- which larger kings tend to ignore. My personal opinion is that the 4000 reel is a bit small (fine for bonnies and rats but sooner or later something bigger will climb on)- and by having an outfit that is only good for 40gm lures you are limiting yourself.

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Gents a 7ft flick stick is a great outfit off the rocks spinning for frigates etc

Thats what we used in the LBG heydays all around JB Avoca Tomaree etc

If your ledges are gnarly get a longer rod , but landing fish will still require finesse.

Find good quality ledges to fish with deep water at your feet.

A 12ft 7144 or similar and an alvey 650A  is a great winching outfit for gnarly reef at your feet.

I caught heaps of frigates etc on 2kg on a 7ft outfit off the rocks.

ymmv

Cheers

Waz

 

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51 minutes ago, Waza said:

Gents a 7ft flick stick is a great outfit off the rocks spinning for frigates etc

Thats what we used in the LBG heydays all around JB Avoca Tomaree etc

If your ledges are gnarly get a longer rod , but landing fish will still require finesse.

Find good quality ledges to fish with deep water at your feet.

A 12ft 7144 or similar and an alvey 650A  is a great winching outfit for gnarly reef at your feet.

I caught heaps of frigates etc on 2kg on a 7ft outfit off the rocks.

ymmv

Cheers

Waz

 

Yep- ive even targetted bonnies on 1 and 2kg off the rocks back when i was in ANSA, and i agree with your comments re location- Avoca, JB and to a lesser extent Tomaree are ok for flicking little lures for little fish with short rods, any spot with a sloping ledge eg 99%of the North Coast its going to be useless- the young fella wants to chase kings- i think he needs something a bit more robust

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Hey guys I'm 18 and 190cm tall I'm going to be fishing mainly north Sydney but am heading down to tasmania on a bit of a fishing trip soon. 

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The 10ft Gutts Butts Ugly would do it but is now probably regarded as a too heavy a weight compared to the carbon rods available today.

 

Ok not the nsw north coast or a kid 👍

10ft overhead or eggbeater outfit will do, just match the rod to the lure weight and remember you might want to cast a live yakka out as well. 

Im old school and prefer overhead reels and fast taper rods  

My Ugly Stick and ABU 10000cl will do it all 😉 but it’s not perfect for any specific purpose.

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Depends where you fish. Bringing a 7ft rod to where i fish would just get your lure caught  on the rock ledge when retrieving due to to the height and leverage of where you’d be standing. 

Personally i use 9.6ft to 11ft rods to the places where i fish. Rods range from lure and bait use. And i choose which setup to bring depending on which area i go to.

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This months Fishing World has what looks like a nice recipe for a 91/2 foot spin rod that comes as a kit- build your own-TBH looking back i was a pretty crap rod builder but built or had custome built everyone of my rock rods -becuase off the shelf was always a bit rubbish and not suited to the rocks. Still reckon its hard to go past an FSU4120, its light, pretty tough and not expensive last time i looked (prettu sure Wilson still make them)

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