JonD Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 We live in a messed up world at the moment. https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/25/garmin-outage-ransomware-sources/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingie chaser Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) If it can happen to govenrments & big business the where do we stand as individual 😬 Im sure they are far far more better equipped for such attacks than we are by just having anti virus software etc! Everyday we are being attacked in many ways including scam emails & MMS messages, its only going to get worse & unfortunately leaves you feeling less secure & having the attitude that everyone is out to get you so dont trust anyone. I sometimes get 3 or 4 fake paypal or other ones say Netflix emails a day in my junk folder & sometimes 2 or 3 fake MMS a day saying rubbish like "sorry we didnt get this information to you earlier" with a link. They only need 1% of people to fall for it to make their cash!! Edited July 25, 2020 by kingie chaser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordoRetired Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I cant count the number of phishing email I get every day. Somehow those B!$@$@#! get hold of an email address and just keep sending crap. Then I get multiple call every week on the home phone from ATO / Microsoft / Telstra trying to get me to let them onto my computer or get my credit card details. With those I try and keep them on the line fpr as long as posible just to waste their time. Being retired I look on that as sport. 🤣🤣 Sad for the people who do get caught. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelm Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I constantly get calls from "Telstra" they always go the same way, the technical department tells me my account has been "hacked" I act all surprised and they ask if I can go to me computer, I say I am at the computer, they always ask what keyboard keys are in the bottom left corner, I tell them, and they then ask to open a webpage, or a terminal window (I worked in IT for 25 years) after a while I tell them I am working with the Australian Federal Police, and have just kept them talking to trace the call, the international Police will be knocking of your door in minutes.....they then tell me where to go, and hang up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfishbig Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 There is a fake Garmin website too. When you try to load a map update they will say there are viruses or trojans on your computer and ask for money to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowie Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 The lazy society of today wants to do everything via a phone or laptop or computer. Unfortunately it has allowed the crooks access to easy money, frauds, scams, impersonations. Harder for the old people to navigate through the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingie chaser Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Yowie said: The lazy society of today wants to do everything via a phone or laptop or computer. I agree but also disagree with that statement as well. What the internet does is open up the world instead of you having access to one small portions of it. There are so many outstanding things/products that not available here so if you want it you have to get it from OS. But also finding things on your own doorstep wouldnt happen without the net. How do you find out about them, google usually! The lazyness comes from readliy available things like Uber eats etc, so you dont even have to cook anymore, I agree with that bit In a time poor society we now choose to get things delivered, even from from across your own city, I'd rather pay $10 postage than spend 1.5hrs in traffic & spend $15 on fuel. Sometimes lazy is just smart thinking imo ! Edited July 26, 2020 by kingie chaser 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAKSShark Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 46 minutes ago, Yowie said: The lazy society of today wants to do everything via a phone or laptop or computer. Unfortunately it has allowed the crooks access to easy money, frauds, scams, impersonations. Harder for the old people to navigate through the world. Agree I never lived in them but i wish it was the "good old days" pen n paper no internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowie Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, kingie chaser said: I agree but also disagree with that statement as well. What the internet does is open up the world instead of you having access to one small portions of it. There are so many outstanding things/products that not available here so if you want it you have to get it from OS. Yes, the internet has it's advantages, but the crooks have taken advantage of it to fleece people. I have certain views, but will not be putting them into print. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingie chaser Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) It's a bit like that old 90's TV ad which I can't find that about where we would be without mining. The ad shown the old dial phone disintegrating in someone's hand, along with the furniture calapsing then the house, the cars then our cloths disapearing etc. There are things in life that are a necessary evil but we can't do without. Everything we have done lleading up to when man went to the moon by design is done by computer. There is no going back to the dark ages but sure we have to make it as secure as we can but nothing is foolproof. People can be fooled in person, loke the scam where tradies going around to elderly people's houses & telling them their roof needs fixing or their driveway needs re concreteing to hand over money & the so called tradies just don't come back. There are a million ways the be scammed, electronically is just one! Edited July 26, 2020 by kingie chaser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelm Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Being an IT guy and somewhat "senior" I can see it from both sides, technology doesn't faze me one bit, but in a strange kind of way, it's "dumbing" society down, people can't live without their phone in their hand, not on the bench, or something, but, literally, in their hand, communication skills are dwindling, no one knows a telephone number now, most don't know the street around the corner because they use some navigation device to find directions, spelling and grammar are a thing of the past. Now there might be a slim argument about moving with the times, but, sometimes in life, actually doing something by skill, memory or instinct is necessary, I really don't know how we will be in even a few years time, but it doesn't look good in a lot of ways, I have an iPhone, it's sitting in a drawer, when I go somewhere that might require contacting someone, I take it with me, but most times, it just sits at home, I have survived all these years without the dire need to answer a mindless text immediately, or see a picture of someone's lunch, if someone really wants me, they can contact me, it's been done for decades without gizmos strapped to our bodies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsswordfisherman Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Sadly it is usually the older persons who get innocently drawn in to scams. It is the age of technology and many older folk have jumped onboard with the changing times. This is a good thing however they tend to learn how to use a program and learn one way to use it using step by step instructions. They believe what they read online or in emails as they did by reading newspapers and printed books. Some are not early adopters of new ways and will hold on to the old way. They are called Digital Immigrants. Our digital natives, the children born after about 1995 grew up in a digital, media saturated environment. They use the internet, social media and mobile devices in every part of their lives. These folk are not lazy or useless it is the only way they know. They learn differently to us in that they think and process information differently. They don’t have a reference to any other way. Digital immigrants have a foot in the pre internet age and the new digital world. The digital natives are being taught by digital immigrants who speak in a different language. The young folk will not sit for hours in classrooms and absorb information and knowledge. They have grown up with info at their fingertips immediately. The world we live in is very different. The mobile phone started as a phone. Now it is a multipurpose device that we can’t do without. We simply do not need to remember a phone number and if you ask a young person to “dial a number” they will not understand you. Notice how the phone aspect is the last thing you look at when choosing a phone. We buy for the camera quality, size of screen, mobile internet browsing, Bluetooth, synching, touchscreen, health and wellness tracking blah. blah. I rarely use the phone these days unless I intend to have a very long conversation. Most people don’t have landlines anymore. I am a baby boomer but started my interest almost pre-digital. I have worked in Healthcare and digitising of healthcare facilities. I led teams that had to teach nurses how to navigate the clinical workflows on a computer. Some brilliant nurses wanted to resign and ended up championing systems. There are so many aspects in healthcare delivery that have truly been enhanced, improved and made safer using new technology. I can’t imagine how communication would have happened during COVID-19 if it was pre-internet. The best thing is we have forums like fishraider and we all engage with it frequently . I spend lots of time in pms with members showing them how to use the features that they want to use. Long live fishing and fishraider So back to the scammers. Take an older person or someone who is not computer literate and pull them along on the journey. Try to help them with the “new ways” and discuss the way scammers work. Enjoyed this thread 👏👏 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingie chaser Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, mrsswordfisherman said: I can’t imagine how communication would have happened during COVID-19 if it was pre-internet. Pretty much a similar result to 1918 I'd say 😬 Its a question that comes up quite often, has technology improved our lives or not? I cant imagine life without it. I dont think it matters about age at all, you either embrace change & learn or dont. That is in respect to anything in live Edited July 26, 2020 by kingie chaser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelm Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 There is no doubt technology has improved our lives, my point was that people are simply obsessed with phones and iPads and the like, I just don't see the need to have the phone in your hand 24 hours a day, we went out for a family dinner last week, and just for fun, I said to my son and daughter (both in their 30s) that "no phones" at the table, you would think I just signed a death sentence, my daughter still had her phone in her hand most of the time, continually looking at it out of habit, and my son put his on the table, screen up, on silent, that's my issue with technology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingie chaser Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, noelm said: There is no doubt technology has improved our lives, my point was that people are simply obsessed with phones and iPads and the like, I just don't see the need to have the phone in your hand 24 hours a day, we went out for a family dinner last week, and just for fun, I said to my son and daughter (both in their 30s) that "no phones" at the table, you would think I just signed a death sentence, my daughter still had her phone in her hand most of the time, continually looking at it out of habit, and my son put his on the table, screen up, on silent, that's my issue with technology. I dont disagree at all noel but I think its not about the device more about that generations obsession with social media of which this & any forum is a part of. Its all a popularity contest to them. You only have to look at the numbers of people being fined for using their phones while driving, total halfwits! I travel into sydney CBD for work every day(well used to pre CV19) & see it by the bus/tram load, its very sad, very little socialisation or just greating happening any more. The thing is these day even for me as I dont have a landline my mobile is my main form off communication & also it helps me organise my appoinments via the calendar, helps remind me of important dates like family birthdays, I do 3/4 of my banking by phone, bill payments etc, I havent even worn a watch for about 15 years so I have to check my phone just to see the time! In the end I couldnt do without my phone but it does not control me, I control it 🙂 Its one reason I enjoy going bush & not having mobile access for a while. Edited July 26, 2020 by kingie chaser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonywardle Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I'm with @noelm I've been in IT for a while and have grey hair!. I think that technology has improved so many things. Unfortunately, it makes people lazier. I had a trainee at work, and I just could not get him off his phone, He was watching Anime all the time. I spoke to him about it a few times, and he started doing the sneaky kid thinking I didn't notice. I escalated it a few times, and there were no consequences and he then moved to his next rotation where it was a SEP. It can affect the way people approach problem solving. Kids that have used word for a couple of years think that they are computer savvy, but when it comes down to it, as soon as they hit a problem, they stop. Depending on the kids, some will have a go at trying to figure out the issue, and some will sit there, back on their phone, waiting for the spoon feeding. I've not yet had too many issue with my kids on their phone when we are at dinner, but no doubt it will come. At that point I'll withdraw to my cave become more of a relic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelm Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Agree, its a strange society we live in, as I said before, technology does not "scare" me, but (and maybe it's just me) it doesn't rule my life. Before this Covid business, we went on a cruise with a few family members (one being my 24 year old niece) when she lost mobile coverage after a few hours, she near died and wanted to go home, she still had her phone in her hand, "just in case" all day long, funny hey? When I was working in IT, everything was "scheduled" and alerts sent out, and in lots of ways, it made life simple, but, to me, it was just a tool to be used, not a tool to use me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankS Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Before Covid I went to the airport to see some people off, on the way home ( it wasn't busy ) we went by train, I leaned over and interrupted Val texting someone and said " there are 15 people in this carriage and 14 of them are using their phones ". Val smiled and turned her phone off. I have just about got to the point of cancelling my land line as I am sick and tired of getting 3-4 calls a day from Nicholl from NBN telling me they are going to close my internet down, as well as all the other scams. I have a mobile and use the buy when needed type coverage, ( no plan ) I put $20 top up and it usually lasts me more than 12 months. I do use it to take the occasional photo. Frank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingie chaser Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, frankS said: I have just about got to the point of cancelling my land line as I am sick and tired of getting 3-4 calls a day from Nicholl from NBN telling me they are going to close my internet down, as well as all the other scams. Thats why I cancelled my landline, but now I get it on mobile as well 😒 Annoying! Probably one factor is I have had the same mobile number for about 25 years & when you sign up to something for an online account of some sorts they share your details with some 2nd or 3rd party. IF I do answer to someone selling me some rubbish I just give them the old Seinfeld line 🤣 Edited July 26, 2020 by kingie chaser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the skipper Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Yeah this comes at a shit time my son actually works for Garmin and he got message to say that this affects the whole company world wide and it could affect his job.... bastards. The Skipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsswordfisherman Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 It is part of our lives now whether you like it or not. We did a lap of Australia in our caravan last year. There were many areas in the NT and outback that had no connectivity. I almost lost my sanity being unable to check for info. I could not look at fishraider to monitor things or answer messages. No ability to check weather, find nearest places to get provisions, pre book a park for next stop, pay bills, contact family or any of the dozens and dozens of reasons I use my device for. I have worked with software developers, network specialists, analysts and IT help desk people. The younger ones are keen and bring lots to the table that some of the older guys are not up to speed with. @noelm the digital natives demand 24/7 connectivity. I can identify with your niece. Even real estate and property purchasing now revolves around being in a strong signal area. There is no way I would buy a house in an area with poor internet connectivity. Businesses simply do not survive without web presence now. No one uses a paper phone book and not sure they even print them anymore. We connect with businesses via online searches or recommendation. We just have to keep abreast of it all and not get left behind. Those of you getting the rogue phone calls - get on the “do not call” register. Only accept phone calls from numbers already in your phone. Answer your phone and don’t talk and they will cut the call, your voice activates the recorded rubbish message. Block callers numbers. @the skipper sorry to hear about your son and the Garmin workers. I feel lucky to be retired right now. Stay safe everyone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowie Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 hours ago, mrsswordfisherman said: There were many areas in the NT and outback that had no connectivity. I almost lost my sanity being unable to check for info. I could not look at fishraider to monitor things or answer messages. No ability to check weather, find nearest places to get provisions, pre book a park for next stop, pay bills, contact family or any of the dozens and dozens of reasons I use my device for. Donna, I was up that way the year before, similar problems, HOWEVER, I enjoyed the place, and want to head back there again. I'm very sure both of you would like to return again. Just a minor problem with the size of our country. Swordie will keep you sane, or will he? 🤣😂😴 Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelm Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The "do not call" works for about 5min, then they start again, been there and done that plenty of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsswordfisherman Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Yowie said: Donna, I was up that way the year before, similar problems, HOWEVER, I enjoyed the place, and want to head back there again. I'm very sure both of you would like to return again. Just a minor problem with the size of our country. Swordie will keep you sane, or will he? 🤣😂😴 Dave. Yes Dave we loved it and will go back. Next year hopefully. It was 80 mile beach and we booked for a week thinking we would be fishing. We tried the first couple of days to get a threadfin salmon and blue salmon (got 3). It was the worst fishing they had ever seen. There were the people that make a pilgrimage to there for the last 30 years and one bloke said he had been there 3 months so far and not one threadfin. We had to sit around the caravan for the week with nowhere to go. The nearest town Port Hedland or 230 kms to Broome. We had a couple of friends with us so not too bad. We would go for a 2 or 3 day stop in the future. I diarised the connectivity or lack of on my trip data in WikiCamps so if we go to the black spots I will make sure I do any online meetings or things that need doing online before we go there. We went to Home Valley Station and stayed a few days and there was a big hill that was the only area that had reception. It was about 15 mins drive and there were always people driving out there there calling home or making contact. Swordie keep me sane hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowie Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, mrsswordfisherman said: Swordie keep me sane hmmmmm ah, ah, ah, bullshit. Something is making me sneeze at that comment. 🤣 I fished somewhere on 80 mile, no threadfins, but pulled out 3 yellow finned bream, a new species for me. No fishing at Broome, but the surf was up, and great waves for body surfing. Did not go to Home Valley, but visited surrounding places. While we enjoyed northern W.A., we really did like N.T. Big crocs, tours, great seafood, the only problem being not able to swim in the hot weather - unless you can out swim and out run the crocs. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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