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My quest for the mighty Mulloway


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G'day raiders,

For as long as I can remember I have always wanted to be able to catch a quality jewie, a quality jewie for me is ticking of a 1m specimen. And I'm going to document my more serious trips here when going for jewies. I also want to be able to target & catch them more constantly when I do fish for them. 

I have caught 3 Jewfish ever all of which around that 60-70cm mark, and ill be taking a more open approach on them, as the trips I have been doing aren't working. 

Ill be using a more logical and simple way of targeting them which is basically bait & structure = fish.

I hope this post will assist in others to being able to catch these fish.

 

Anyway. the methods I have been using previously for jewies has been

- a social day with mates throwing a rod out and waiting for a fish to come take the bait

- allowing the fish to "run" with the bait when they initially take the bait, I have lost quite a few fish doing this 

- fishing spots (in the Georges) on a run out tide where the current is screaming 

- using baits like squid in areas where squid aren't ever seen

I will be using a simple way of going for jew's now on, for example using bait that's in the area, perhaps even catching it myself, never really targeted poddie mullet but ill be willing to learn. Using squid in a place like Revesby is silly in my opinion as no squid are seen up there, jewies will still eat it, but if your using a bait that the jewfish are targeting they will be more inclined to eat that then a squid that was caught at yowie bay boat ramp the previous night. 

This dose apply to all fish but I reckon more so on jewfish, its like throwing a halco 30g slug in a school of tiny bait a school of hesitant kings are feeding on, they are usually quite focused on feeding on the small baitfish. Bad example I know but you get it.

But if I am short of time I will still defiantly use baits like squid in the upper areas of the Georges as they will defiantly still eat it, especially if bait is a bit scarce.

 

Now, the problem with the Georges rivers main channel.

so, from what I understand is jewfish tend to be a bit more active on the slack tides, which I do understand as it is less effort to hunt your dinner. Spots like Cpt cook bride, tom uglys and Como bridge, although they do produce I have never pulled one out from these spots. They also have very strong current during the outgoing tide and when the slack tide comes all the bait isn't going to suddenly appear there, which means the only jewfish that would go to spots like these would only be passing by or to search for bait during the slack tide.

Even though these spots have great structure and eddies they are heavily fished, and wouldn't be a spot to consistently catch them as they would only be there for ~30 mins. 

Every time a mate says "lets fish captain's" I know I'm going to catch nothing. 

 

So, my new approach for jewfish is to focus areas where there is less water volume moving, and find structure that would hold bait during the outgoing tide which would be areas of less tidal movement. So I'm thinking of places like 

- Kograh bay / Carss park 

- Towards the mouth of Oatley bay 

- Jewfish bay

- salt pan creek

- west of salt pan in Georges 

I have never fished to hard these areas on the kayak or land based, so it will be a bit of work locating holes or finding structure that would hold bait.

Structure I'll be looking for is holes/channels, Moorings, Marinas, rocky shorelines or channel markers if I'm desperate.

 

When I do find the a spot which meets the requirements, ill mostly be fishing about 30 mins before the top of the tide then about 3 hrs of the outgoing tide as I believe the outgoing tide carry's a lot more food for them to ambush while they sit in the protected areas of current especially in the upper areas of the Georges.

In areas where there isn't much water volume moving I don't think tide would matter that much, this would include areas like the upper reaches of Oatley bay, Kograh bay & saltpan. I will fish mostly at night because of the jetski and boat traffic in the Georges is annoying. .

I think jewfish are quite overlooked and a simpler approach to them may prove successful, but I may also be overlooking them by sitting down and looking at the Georges river looking at areas that may have less rapid tidal movement like the back ends of points, the bottom of some river bends and the areas where there would be less tidal flow.

would be great for you guys to post your opinions I plan on taking the kayak out for a night trip tomorrow to a spot I have in mind and ill post results 

 


My first 2 trips are posted below, I will be posting my other trips In fishing reports, but will still post the link here

Trip #3 

 

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From what I have red mulloway being a bit of a territorial ambush predator like to sit in natural channels & holes formed from tidal flows as well as holes made from man made structure & tidal flow.

A mate caught a nice one(legal) when we were fishing in a channel that runs along kangaroo point on prawn so you dont always need live baits. Water depth was only 2mtrs.

 

There is also some good info in here-

 

Im also going to be doing a bit of targeted jew fishing this spring/summer once we get let out of the cage, I really want to catch one on SP's.

 

Good luck, you have a plan/strategy so just get out there & test your theories, thats half the fun :thumbup:

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Alrighty, a pretty action packed trip last night! Got out a bit later then I would've liked and paddling over to where I was fishing took a little bit longer then expected. Arrived at around 8.15pm and sounded out the bottom and decided to anchor on a river bend on the edge of a drop off which drops from 2.5 down to 6-7 meters not to far from Alfred's point bridge 

First rod - a whole pille/ mullet strips with a heaver sinker

second rod - whole fresh squid, set up with a small sinker and I would open the bail arm every 5 mins to let it drift with current
both rods had 14 pound leader/ 20lb braid to begin with

Had a third rod to try and catch some of mullet or tailor which came close to my burly bag, while putting bread on the hook my rod with squid over and take a few meters of moderately tight drag, i grab the rod and as soon as tension was applied the line cut - bullshark

Upgraded leader to 20lb and threw out another whole squid also replaced the pilchard with a fresh mullet strip

9.40pm rolls around and i put my second jacket on, as I sit back down my rod with squid buckle's and the drag is flying off, this run easily took 75meters of line and I'm thinking of when is it going to cut me off, then the famous run ends, and dead weight until under the kayak where I loosen the drag and i finally feel those  big thumping headshakes and it makes a few small runs.

I tangle with my other line somehow but the fish is on the surface, a few attempts netting it. finally goes in, my god, its big.

Colossal tangles in the net and a large jew taking up the entire deck of the kayak, I sat there looking at it in awe, spent a stupid amount of time cutting lines, untangling the net  and struggling the even lift the slimy basted of the deck never alone release it without flipping the kayak, I knew it was too late, the fish would release poorly so I made the decision to put it out of its misery and eat my first ever jew.

Im a catch and release guy, but if i do get a feed I like to keep the slightly above legal models and leave the big ones for someone else to catch, my only regret of the night is not trying to release it and not taking so long just looking at the fish, trying to measure it and also untangling the net.

The fish was 104cm, stoked to have cracked the meter. took it over to Georges river national park where I fillet the fish, some for me and some for the neighbour and gave the other half of the fish to a group of boys fishing for jews along the shoreline there. Forgot the fish had a tag, hopefully they see it and know what to do with it, as it was still in the fish.

 

So, a few lessons learnt, all of which is handling the fish. That is basically loosing myself once I netted the fish and having no idea what to do next, even though I did I just went... blank. space restrictions on the kayak meant that handling a large fish like this was extremely difficult. Hopefully everyone who I have given some fish to make good use of it. I would've loved to have entered to tag data but silly me didn't even see the fish had a tag till I was scaling it. Should've take then numbers right then and there 

Here's the picture and its final measurement 

 

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104cm, caught 9:55pm on a whole fresh squid just after the change of the tide which was at  9:05pm, Georges river, near Alfred's point bridge. 

Not sure when the next trip is, but ill still post my journeys here. 

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Great catch and report.

Now, keep a record/dairy of your fish with as many details of the conditions as you can think of. Jew are a creature of habit and likely to be in the same place when everything lines up again.

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On 10/7/2021 at 1:31 PM, Green Hornet said:

Great catch and report.

Now, keep a record/dairy of your fish with as many details of the conditions as you can think of. Jew are a creature of habit and likely to be in the same place when everything lines up again.

A diary is a must for having any sort of regularity with successfully landing mulloway. 

11 years of records allow me to be more than confident on getting one every trip from the Georges River.

Patterns definitely become apparent for all months and seasons of the year in every estuary system.

@Green Hornet so far they have eluded me in the Shoalhaven River and the Basin on both lures and baits.  Just havnt quite sussed them out in the little time i do get to fish at those 2 locations.....persistence will pay off though

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6 hours ago, mii11x said:

A diary is a must for having any sort of regularity with successfully landing mulloway. 

11 years of records allow me to be more than confident on getting one every trip from the Georges River.

Patterns definitely become apparent for all months and seasons of the year in every estuary system.

@Green Hornet so far they have eluded me in the Shoalhaven River and the Basin on both lures and baits.  Just havnt quite sussed them out in the little time i do get to fish at those 2 locations.....persistence will pay off though

My experience with mulloway down here is in the Crookhaven rather than the Shoalhaven and I have 2 spots that regularly produce. One on the run in tide and the other on the run out.

Basin fish are all about doing the miles, sounding out bait schools with obvious signs of predators, then hitting them with lures. Just my opinion, but the mobility of lure fishing in there is the most successful way to target them.

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A lot of this aligns with Jew in the Hastings!

I fish with lures. With Sax Scent. Troll and cast.

I fish deep holes and channels at slack tide.

I look for Baitfish.

Early morning my favourite.

Look for them on the sounder.

Stolen from a charter facebook page

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Love the diary idea, just jotted down my first fish, many more to come.

Only recently started on plastics and have had flicks along some solid structure using 4 and 6in paddle tails, but no jew's yet.

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10 hours ago, Restyle said:

Love the diary idea, just jotted down my first fish, many more to come.

Only recently started on plastics and have had flicks along some solid structure using 4 and 6in paddle tails, but no jew's yet.

Like lots of raiders do you can use fishraider to ‚Äúdiarise‚ÄĚ trips and captures.¬†
You can use the gallery here to keep pics. 
Perhaps add a tag to these posts so you can search quicker. 

Deckee app has a Trips function. It tracks your journey and you can make notes. Pics are an example of a Hairtail outing last year. In notes I put the link to the post I made in fishraider. 

Of course there is the old exercise book and pen and paper. 

I have only ever caught mulloway on plastics in the Cooks River. 
 

Good luck with your quest and thanks for the post. 

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g'day, went out last night, this time land based for jews at a spot I scouted out after looking on google earth thoroughly. 2nd time fishing here, first time we went was mostly for scouting, but did drop a fish right on the shoreline a few weeks ago.

This time we pull out one of the smallest jews I have caught coming in at a whopping 49cm. Quick pics and safely released him.

Caught - 10/10/2021, 1:40am, (high tide 12:43am), Weather was calm, partly cloudy and fair. Whole semi fresh squid on snelled 9/0 and 7/0 

Mate also dropped a nice fish as the tide turned which sucked (his drag was loose).

2 trips and caught jews on both trips. stoked.

 

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2 hours ago, mrsswordfisherman said:

@Restyle you are doing well

You have 2 posts in this thread that are actually fishing reports. 

Can you copy and paste and put into fishing reports please. 

I could merge with a new post but it would be under my name. 

pm me if you want help ;)

gday, I have my first fish also in a separate report, I was meant to ask while typing the most recent report up weather I should continue in this thread as I reckon it would be a good way for newer fishos to help understand the silver slab a little bit better, Or move the thread into fishing reports as it will only be fishing reports and I don't want to spam the forum with separate reports of small fish.

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When writing the OP, it seems I have overlooked a very important point - technique 

In short, 2 rods, one has a light sinker which will be heavy enough to get the bait to the bottom and a 40cm leader This rod is casted along the drop off/structure
Second rod has a larger lead that shouldn't move and is casted out into the channel and has about 50cm of leader.
both rods are double hook 9/0 on the bottom and a 7/0 further up with 20/lb flurocarbon leader, Can be increased if your fishing rocky areas or near nasty structure 

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basic rigs are pictured above. The 170gram sinker isn't necessary but in the currents of the Georges it is needed to keep a whole squid from drifting into your other line & to keep the line further out, especially as your let larger amount's of line drift.
Both rods have the bail arm open to let out a few meters of line every 5 odd minutes the aim of this is to try and get the baits in areas the jewfish will be sitting naturally waiting to ambush. with one rod in close along the structure/drop-off your fishing and the other further out, you will be covering quite abit of ground by letting the baits drift with the current instead of just leaving it in one spot 


I wouldn't even bother doing this in very snaggy areas.

 

 

So, Now I'm going to list some of the successful things I have noticed and also improvements that have made fishing for jews & also landing them that much more successful 


- Fishing with the drag setting I want to fight the fish on has been successful so far as to what I noticed, larger fish take the bait and run and hook themselves while the smaller fish like to peck the bait or pick it up and drop it multiple times they generally require a strike to set the hook, You only get one chance to strike, so only strike when they pick up the bait and you feel abit of weight

- When fighting the fish, when its under the boat I have been loosening the drag off abit, mostly to let the fish take more line and tire itself out more. Makes netting it a whole lot easier and they also don't thrash around nearly as much which decreases the chance of them throwing the hook

- Releasing smaller jews through the mirage drive hole in the hobies makes releasing the fish a lot easier to revive as you just hold it by the tail till they kick away, this is compared to lifting a 3kg fish over the side of the kayak and potentially dropping it or worse - capsizing. kayak jewfish seems to be a challenge and the challenge is only releasing them 

- Been bringing a burley bag with bread/mullet or pillies in it to attract the smaller bait fish which jump along the shoreline all night. Abit cautious as it won't only attract bait fish, but maybe also a 3meter bull shark to take a chomp our of the bag. Abit hard to say if this is even effective.

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